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Execs Confused and Horrified by the Huge AI Bills After Thinking They Could Replace Workers for Free (futurism.com)
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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 90 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Those same idiots have been in charge of everything for decades, blindly doing whatever suited them.

They got duped and didn't have the technical competence to see it or trust their staff to negotiate it.

Every IT / Developer out there knew it was a bad idea. The C-Staff was sold by the billionaires that you will go AI or you will be left behind.

My own CEO is simultaneously telling us to use AI for as much as we can and telling us to reduce costs as much as possible.

[–] borkborkbork@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

yep. these mba types have gutted half of id, and are changing id - ID - to unreal engine projects.

fucking hell

[–] TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 36 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

The "you'll be left behind" nonsense makes me laugh. Left behind from what exactly? Lol

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, that isn't how this works. You don't want to be the one using the software while it's still in beta. Wait until the dust settles before committing to anything. Besides which the super-urgent "You have to buy now!" FOMO sales pitch is a classic strategy for scammers.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The sales pitch is:

All your competition is going AI. They're be producing 10x the work with mouth breathing morons at the keys, while you're stuck paying millions to subject matter experts.

They're scared ot death that the tenuous hold they have on their market segment will be severed if their competition outflanks them in this, so FUD wins.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

This isn't just in industry or tech. I work in the academy. You would be shocked how many people from administrators all the way on down truly believe this. That, without any proof, this technology is going to make everybody a billion times more productive and that any graduates who don't have this is a foundational skill will surely not survive in the future workforce.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

students using AI to write thier papers, LORs, or projects, and professors using it to screen out AI themselves, or using it to make lectures. this is for university level, and then you have students unable to write a paper themselves, and teacher even more removed from teaching a class.

[–] TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"it's technology and science, it must be good!"

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Man, you would be shocked how resistant to tech and innovation some of us are unless, I guess, you promise the world with your racist chatbot.

[–] TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago

That's a great point.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Someone else can output more slop than us!

[–] Squatcher@piefed.social 9 points 12 hours ago

And faster slop! Turbo slop even

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 21 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I told my boss this:

  • Right now the AI race has a lot of similarities to the dotcom bubble. The subject is packed with risky loans based on huge debts. Those huge debts are expecting to be paid as AI becomes profitable, but AI companies are largely loosing money.
  • All those loans and infrastructure create the burden of sunk costs leading to a desperate need to succeed.
  • The people feeling that desperation are the same people who own the largest marketing, news, and social media networks in the world.
  • As a result, there’s a lot of hype around AI. A lot of “kool-aid,” and everyone wants you to drink it. If you drink the kool-aid, that means you’re also bought into the problem. You also need it to succeed, thus making their problem into your problem.

I explained to him that mature, professional use of AI is going to wind up following a similar path to data engineering. It’ll start with bullshit standards, “prompt engineers” and the like, but eventually SE disciplines are going to define who makes best use of AI. You’re going to have niche use cases for daemon AIs, local LLMs, and remote models. You’ll have stronger frameworks around session management, context management, agent permissions, …

It’s not going to be like this forever, “dump all your shit into our web upload and let the AI figure everything out in one go.” It’s going to become more fragmented, bounded, dare I say deterministic… orchestratable.

Then I told my boss, it would be better if he could frame his excitement around these future use cases… so we can skip the kool-aid stage and get right into the good stuff.

He agreed, until about a week passed. Then it was AI hype again.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

also the environmental damage, noise pollution,,,etc its causing that the dot com dint cause.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 14 hours ago

The 3rd or 4th "industry expert" tells them that things are "moving fast" and things that were impossible months ago are now reality. It's designed to make them distrust their own subject-matter experts. They thing, ohh POTV, they're just not educated and up to speed.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. Local LLM stuff is great when you want to shove a huge pile of documentation into a model trainer and make a more intelligent search. Two of my vendors have implemented it, and it's more useful than a traditional indexing search tool, though you do have to verify the results (which is not much more effort since with a search you'd have to skim the document to find the info it matched anyway).

But for general "do everything" tool, yeah no. It can't read and understand your entire database, codebase, business process, etc.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Honestly, I’ve had a rather interesting experience with AI. I was very adverse to LLM usage at first. Later I sort of figured out that I was more adverse to the energy around AI than I am AI itself.

I knew the models sucked at large tasks. Trying to get an edge on the matter though, I started asking myself, how can I get the model to perform better? I figured I could pass over the AI hate stage and get right into the AI professional stage… at least a head start.

So I began experimenting with local LLMs, LLM harnesses, and various governance tools like jai. I decided against Claude Code and Cortex because they’re provider specific — instead using OpenCode so that I can use whichever model I desire. Then I began building out a SKILL.md repository for tightly scoped tasks like change-review, security-analysis, refactor, architecture-review, grill-me, feature-design, …

I’m still thinking through some of the project needs. I want something that lets an agent work, while treating the agent as a kind of helpful adversary. You should be able to configure workloads that designate models, context, available tooling, skills, permissions, session length, inference level, acceptance criteria, and human-review stages. It would also allow for session switching, model switching, agent deliverable handoff to another agent, … not to mention, your VCS should know and respond appropriately if an agent ever pushes code. Don’t trust it by default.

These workloads should be version controllable, benchmarked, …

Anyway, a lot of that is speculative. Just where I’m at now, controlling context and skills manually, I’m already seeing much better results.

And no, I don’t have the AI do everything. I just find smarter ways to decompose “everything” into much smaller tasks that are easier to review and scrutinize.

But also, I push for local model usage in my organization. I don’t want my success to mean success for the AI companies. Fuck the AI companies.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago

I was forced to dogfood it. I found that for my specific needs, it made me super productive. I generally make Claude write Ansible jobs, I store all my secrets in a vault that it never gets access to.

It can do tremendous amounts of work at my command in relative safety as long as i provide it protected tools.

Now, that said, I burn a hell of a lot of tokens moving at that speed. When the ass falls out of the market, i'll still have all the ancible stuff I can reuse.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Neither Claude code neither codex is actually vendor specific, they just don't tell you that you can config other providers, including local

However opencode is pretty nice too, so if you like it, use that. I personally find that opencode with GLM 5.2 or Kimi K2.7 isn't actually that great, it'll hallucinate more than Claude code or Codex with their respective first party models. I think it's the models themselves rather than opencode itself though, as when I use GPT for planning and hand it off to deepseek flash to do the actual work, it's more or less fine.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I suspect behind the scenes, the first parties are sending your requests to multiple targets and sending you back quorum.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 hours ago

Not impossible, but also the thinking process reduces the need for something like that. Anything in the context gets regurgitated back and forth multiple times so the model has multiple opportunities to flag something as being weird.

Incidentally if you actually want to do something like that yourself, I believe OpenRouter has a feature for that. But of course it means you can essentially add up each model's costs and that's your new cost per prompt (not exact since output token count will differ, but on average).

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Except this time they'll have a hard time blaming the devs and other workers.

I mean they'll sneak around it, but maybe just maybe the blame will not be distributed? Lol who am I kidding.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

they will just lay off more people to stave off the debt, and then to hold the industry to gether outsource, and hire only some senior devs while ignoring entry or juniour level people.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, I'm glad you woke up there. They will always find a way to blame the developers.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The're apex predators, they don't blame anyway, just mass layoffs due to non-profitability ()

non-profitability(){  
       if CEO_makes_less_money_than_they_want();  
                return true;  
       return true anyway because fuck the proliariat  
}