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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/41813187
"Actually the books say this and not that" has zero relevance to what people actually do to others, so queer people are absolutely in the right to be wary of religious people, because religious people are those most likely to harass them, even if it means they didn't read their own book. That's not ignorance on the part of queer people, that's doubly on the part of religious people who are also ignorant about what queer people might do to them.
I can agree with that, but I feel like it's a different issue than the one I brought up.
It absolutely makes sense for queer people to be wary of religious people. Regardless of specific circumstances - chances are they're not going to be besties. This part is fairly clear.
I was just referring to the debates, who is right, arguments used, and so on. This may not matter to many people, and it's alright. I just like to look at motivations and reasons.
Also, no offence, but the quote "Actually the books say this and not that" is, actually, a near perfect example of the ignorance I mentioned. Unless satirical, which it may very well be. I can't always tell.
That's my point. The people who are ignorant of what those books say are the religious people, not the queer people who are targeted. You can easily find atheists who know a lot more about the Bible than religious people, often because religious people will force atheists to debate what the books say, when they themselves don't know what their book says, and atheists end up having to do all the research to prove them wrong. It's the old joke "how do you become an atheist? By reading the Bible."
Not to mention that in the first place, queer people and atheists not knowing what the Bible says is completely fine, they're not at fault of anything, it's not their job to know and educate religious people. It doesn't matter to them what it says - only that religious people persecute them by claiming their book tells them to.