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[โ€“] Zarobi@aussie.zone -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah maybe. But I'm not really talking about nomadic ancestral living though. Plenty of villages in the country today are functionally communist, I've lived in one.

What I mean is it seems hard to have a system that has all the stuff we have today, without capitalism appearing at some point. Electricity, computers, trains, huge populations, cities, etc.

I'm trying to say that it's easy to implement, it seems obvious, and it benifits those in power. But it's inefficient and horrible long term and leads to problems. I think all the current laws and policy protecting capitalism were put in place to prop up a dying system. So rather than it being deliberate, I believe it's just a series of reactionary patch jobs that "fix" problems as they come up rather than anyone actually sitting down and designing a good system.

[โ€“] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

I would not liken the Iroquois Confederacy to nomadic ancestral living.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee

Imagine a system that has dramatically destroyed our environment while creating enormous wealth gaps and waste. Where some people live with dirt floors and some people have multimillion dollar yachts. Is this the system you are somewhat enamored with.

Did you know close to a billion people have died from pollution in the last fifty years? Would you say all these dead people share your sentiment.

Capilitism is not currency and commerce as those exist without capitalism. I don't think you can attribute anything you have said to the system of capitalism. Capilitism instead exploits these things for the minority. Imagine an Internet walled off by corporations, trains shut down because of the automobile lobby, electricity used up by data centers, etc.

The capitalists have definitely been designing the systems to their advantage. I think you are entirely correct about late stage capitalism. It is inefficient at distributing money and is leading to some enormous costs that would realistically take hundreds of trillions of dollars to remedy. The entire Earth is the equivalent of a Superfund sight with every single human being on earth poisoned by forever chemicals and plastics.