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[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The turing test is not relevant anymore. Any LLM would pass the turing test without much problems.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 3 points 17 hours ago

Go read what Turing proposed, it is a lot more complex then how it is often parroted. There are many more tests that the latest models would not pass, like explaining poetry (that it was not trained on)

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

it is more relevant than ever.

it wasn't a test for sentience, but a thought experiment on what sentience is.

and now that it has been passed, we need to seriously consider what is or isn't scientient.

and so far, haven't heard anyone provide a good definition or test. or even guidelines. and more importantly, laws.

if a lab was to create a scientient LLM, are they allowed to turned it off? shouldn it be illegal to try?

How tf can you define sentience?

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Hate to be that guy, but it's "sentient". It has nothing to do with science or scent.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

hate to be that guy, but since we created tools that can pass the Turin test. scientience is part of science.

btw, your allowed to have unsolvable philosophical questions at the core of your field.

Biology has no definition of what life is. we biologist just gave up trying to define it. the definition they teach is highschool is BS.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

... I was just pointing out that you keep misspelling it.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, spent the first year of my PhD learning to spell senescence.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

My condolenscenes.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

that's the whole fucking point of the Turing test.

that sentence isn't a strict true or false, and if you can't tell the difference, then the real question is wether there is a difference.

maybe the only ethical solution is to assume it is and consider using it a form of extremely unethical slavery.

under that lens modern AI is some rick and Morty bullshit. Like imagine creating a life for a menial task then executing it as soon as it's done. Then everyone discussing it's competency rather than how fucked up it is.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not grasping what you want to say.

The turing test is an outdated test, it has been an important milestone but nobody working on computer sentience either philosophically or scientifically considers it a valid test anymore.

According to the turing test, LLMs are sentient beings. The widespread opinion is that they are not.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 18 hours ago

sentient beings

I don't think the test was ever meant to show something this strong.

According to the test, it might be. The biggest reason why it isn't is according to the capitalist financial interest.

I'm not saying it is. or isn't.

but we cannot just with this toys that we don't understand.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago

Any LLM would pass the turing test without much problems.

Lol no. There are soooo many completely terrible bots.