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Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.


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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Plug-in hybrids can reduce usage if mostly used for short urban trips, and hybrids can use less gas overall compared to regular ICE vehicles since they tend to use small engines, but the study suggests that the people who use plug-in hybrids like they're intended (i.e, plugging it in frequently to avoid the engine turning on) is a minority of users, unfortunately.

[–] madpilot@aussie.zone 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the problem with halfway solutions. The people that buy them don’t want to change their behaviour, and unsurprisingly, don’t change the behaviour.

I got a PHEV and two months (that was at the start of covid, it took ages) before it finally arrived my city got rid of the charger near my house. Cool cool, thanks.

The next one wasn't extremely far away, but you'll think twice if you want to walk ten minutes through a hail storm.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Hybrids (at least Toyota hybrids; unclear about other brands) don't just use a smaller engine - it's a much more efficient engine design. However, this design also requires performance compromises that are only acceptable because there's an electric motor supplementing it.

Someone else already linked the Technology Connections video that covers it in much greater detail.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a PHEV, and try very hard to avoid the gas engine from starting. I can go about every other day without gasoline, and even on the days where I go further than my range it’s not too much. I measure my effectiveness overall on miles between fill-ups (7 gallons). 1000 miles is what I consider good.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As I say, you appear to be in the minority by being mindful of plugging it in regularly.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then the title is stupid. It should say PHEV and not Hybrids

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The studies appear to show that regular, non-plugin hybrids are even worse at lowering emissions than the poorly utilized PHEVs :\

Overall it seems to suggest that hybrids aren't a terribly good solution for lowering emissions overall, since only PHEV's have the capability to drastically lower them, and only for a minority who are mindful enough to take advantage of that.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Worse than something people don't utilize? Im calling bullshit.

I can get 700+ kms on 35 litres on a 2015 Prius V.

Every other vehicle that was ice I've used at work could. Barely break 600kms on 55 litres.

If phevs aren't good because people don't use them correctly and only use the ICE component of them, having an always on hybrid reducing fuel consumption by over 50% is absolutely better in every way.

Whatever they are using in your examples are misleading at the very least and outright bullshit at the worst.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

I also think the conclusion is suspect. But note that they are comparing “emissions”, not amount of fuel used. One would think they’d go hand-in-hand, but maybe not.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Worse than something people don’t utilize? Im calling bullshit.

A regular hybrid is always using its ICE to charge its battery. A PHEV can either charge via the grid, or with its ICE.

The minority of people who do opt to mostly charge their PHEV via the grid and do not constantly take long distance trips are able to fully utilize a PHEV's advantages, and thus they help bring the overall average down for the PHEV category, but since there are so many more who do not, the average is still quite poor despite PHEVs having the real potential to be much better.

a non-PHEV hybrid, by not having the grid as an option, does not have the benefit of that mindful minority of people helping to bring the average down as much, thus it is worse than PHEV, but still better than ICE.

A regular hybrid still generally have reducd emissions compared to an ICE vehicle if used in an urban setting, and due to how small their ICE engines tend to be, they usually use less fuel even on long-distance trips compared to the average ICE vehicle.

The point of the study is not that they don't emit less than ICE vehicles, it is that, overall, due to how most people use them, they don't save all that much carbon over their lifetime compared to non-hybrid EVs (which, I will mention, also pale in comparison to public transport). And in the case of PHEV's, they could be used to great effect, but the majority of buyers appear to not do so, thus making them similar in carbon reduction to regular hybrids.

If you would rather not watch the video itself which goes over the studies and their conclusions, the creator provided sources to all the studies in the text description, which I will provide here for you to look through:

Sources

An even stronger warning from professionals who service electric vehicles https://evclinic.eu/2025/09/27/if-you...

National Vehicle Solutions https://www.nationalvehiclesolutions/....

GridServe https://www.gridserve.com/2025-averag...

ZapMap https://www.zapmap.com/ev-stats/charg...

Fraunhofer / ICCT White Paper https://theicct.org/wp-content/upload...

ICCT European Analysis https://theicct.org/wp-content/upload...

T&E Analysis https://www.transportenvironment.org/...

Carbon Brief https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-...

[–] noodles@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder what the ratios of hybrids are. My in law has a hybrid SUV that barely gets better gas mileage than the equivalent gas model on the highway, which is most of their mileage. If the majority of hybrids are those, not Priuses, then I wouldn't be at all surprised if the extra materials from the battery and engine offset the extra 3-4 mpg gain.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I dont think it's fair or appropriate comparison. If you want to open that door, then you have to compare your in laws hybrid to an equally shitty ive engine, which I think is a huge disparity in the comparison you presented

[–] noodles@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

I don't get why I can't compare the hybrid to its identical non-hybrid sibling? People aren't cross-shopping Priuses and Ford f-350s.

Regardless, my point is that there are cases where an overlap of poor hybrid implementation and driving habits make some hybrids roughly equal to equivalent ICE vehicles from a lifetime emissions standpoint. If those cases make up a large portion of the hybrids on the road then it is perfectly reasonable that the current hybrid fleet is only negligibly better from an emissions standpoint than the equivalent gas fleet.