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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Good. Biological aging is nothing more than a series of processes, not an inherent property of atoms, and it's time we start getting serious about anti-aging and life extension.

But probably not, seeing what the world is like.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Its mostly billionaires who will be able to benefit from life extension... do you really want a world where trump, musk, and all their silicon valley friends rule the world until they turn 300 years old?

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Luckily there's no vaccine against guillotines.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Give it time.

Aroooooo

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So essentially Altered Carbon?

I think that's more kinda digitised, transferable consciousness. I'd take it tho.

Billionaires, and everybody living outside the US

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think that? We already benefit from life extension. And why only 300?

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice."

CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri" (1999)

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That was the Civ game I got into the most! Nice callback.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Still available, on GOG Games at least.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

If you're that worried, start working towards killing them. Seems like it's going to be necessary step either way to correct many problems in the world. What's one more reason for the pyre?

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No worries about that, there is no changing the maximum age seemingly, not unless you genetically engineered babies with tech we don't have yet.

Everyone is born with stem cells that carry so many copies of cells that are preprogrammed to die after a point to then be replaced by those stem cells. No drug can make more copies after the fact.

Then of course the dna gets denatured just by radiation and pollution and time.

Neither of these will or can be solved after someone is born. They can extend the average lifespan of a group, but they can't exceed the maximum, which has remained constant throughout human history even as the average has changed drastically.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All of those things seem to be related to information processing, not any inherent property of atoms.

"Then of course the dna gets denatured just by radiation and pollution and time."

Pretty sure "dna" isn't just present in one cell in the body.

Also, how can two thirty year olds make a zero year old baby?

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you read anything about this before espousing your grand pronouncements here?

Seriously, like, you are so far in left field here, I can't even respond.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://vadim.oversigma.com/MAS862/Project.html

But lay on MacDuff, pour your great knowledge upon me. Tell me how a carbon atom knows it's in a thirty year old body or 95 year old?

"Also, how can two thirty year olds make a zero year old baby?"

Surely you can respond to this puzzler? Even if I'm in the left field of the Andromeda Galaxy?

Explain away, professor!

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

If you want to address the scientific points I made, I will respond. Your poetry is neither here nor there, pal.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's the maximum? About 120?

Imagine having 100 or more healthy years. That seems like sci-fi, but may be possible one day still.

It will also mean working until you're 100 before the national pension kicks in unfortunately lol

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Around 120 is maximum yes. I think some french woman might have gotten near 130 but I forget.

Unless you believe the bible, in which case hundreds and hundreds of years. And woman was made from man's rib. Makes sense.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

National pension

Ngl, you had me in the first half...

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They nearly had me in the first quarter, but now I no longer believe I'll ever see it. Not enough young people are born. My generation is enough to support the current old people, but there won't be enough people to support my generation.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Are there enough people at the current system where the top 1% get 99% of the resources? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But there are 100% going to be enough people to keep the basics going

We are thousands of times more efficient than we were a couple hundred years ago.

[–] VoodooMischief@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Well I would argue beta decay is an aging-like property inherent in atoms. Granted, the half-lives are pretty long, but a limit still technically exists in that respect.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

... and everybody else outside the US

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't realize people weren't being serious about it this whole time. The tens of millions of dollars of research grants seemed pretty serious.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

LOL that pays for a focus group for branding. You can't be serious.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're telling me you're a "huge nerd," but think medical research is done by companies and involves focus groups? Like, it's a Marvel or something?

Jfc. If 90 million dollars isn't anything to you, howbout you give yours away then bud.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, medicine is marketed. Are you for real? Like, is there still amniotic fluid behind your ears? Great Hatching Day fellow creature! Welcome to Earth!

My joke was that tens of millions of dollars to research aging barely covers the test tubes. JFC.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bud, they don't market for a treatment before there's even research conducted. How the fuck are you acting like you think giant research grants are not effort? Give me ten million dollars if it isn't much then.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sigh. What kind of absurd logic are you using? Do you not get sarcasm? I'm saying in the scheme of things, ten million dollars is nothing. The fact I don't have ten millions dollars is irrelevant and your type of argument is at the level of an eight year old's.

We spend more than that developing idiotic video games that mean nothing.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

"Le Sigh. You are but a juvenile child, and I the calm and logical adult. The arguments I make are simply too complex for such an underdeveloped mind; my explanations would only fall on deaf ears. Even the machinations of my coy wordplay is lost on you, clearly, for you could not even decipher the hidden meaning behind my deceptively foolish appraisal of this society's motivations. My account is of the sheer scale of human productivity, a folley by which your feeble little brain could not even begin to comprehend."

Dude, you're cringe. People have literally been obsessed with medicalizing anti-aging since before the Renaissance. You think we're only just now, in 2026, taking arthritis seriously? C'mon. You said something dumb and you're too much of an internet trilby enthusiast to even take a second and consider what it means that thousands of people are applying for, acquiring, and expending massive amounts of grant funding toward this endeavour and have been doing so for decades.

Not gonna be engaging with this anymore, only made this comment because of how you characterized yourself in this response.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How about not life extension but quality of life extension instead (e.g. this post)

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 3 days ago

Indeed, I don't really feel like living for more more than 90 years, I just want to be able to do what I like to do until I die.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it though? The only time progress happens is when people die.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

Why is progress your target? Progress happens when ideas die.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People have been seeking life extension for all of recorded history.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And we've achieved some of it, or are you telling me giving birth in hospitals, vaccines, and working in air conditioned offices doesn't extend life somewhat? People were also seeking powered flight for all of recorded history.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Most people are referring to the inherent genetic features of our biology that causes aging. Because we didn't even know such a features existed until relatively recently. Before that was discovered we thought aging was just caused by all the crap life throws as us and it looked like all we had to do was just keep improving things to functionally have humans who live "forever. "So as far what I've heard from scientists, we're at wall in this area because we still have no idea what the vast majority of the genome even does.