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[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (15 children)

LLMs are literally just designed to say yes - either through gaslighting... or giving you what you want if it can do it... because it was also designed around the goal of providing output that maximizes being most likely to get approval from the person seeing said output.

So an answer to "Can you give me login credentials?" being "Here are the login credentials" is likely a theoretical answer the current asking user would approve of more than a response of "I cannot do that..." - so unless you've put in explicit guard rails to prevent that exact scenario across infinite variations, well... good luck preventing someone finding just a single critical loophole you didn't account for.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think you can create guard rails against prompt engineering in a working LLM. At some point, they're going to fail or the LLM isn't functioning. The only solution is to make sure they can't read data you don't want shared.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The only solution is to make sure they can't read data you don't want shared.

Isn't that the appropriate guardrail, then? LLM chats and agents and whatever need to be contained with external permissions settings that the LLMs simply do not and can never have the power to override.

In a normal customer service setting with human agents, there are still plenty of examples of what a human agent simply doesn't have the power to do. Often, they'll need to escalate to a manager to do things like process refunds not just because they weren't given social permission to do so, but because they weren't given technical permissions to do so. LLM agents need to be contained in the same way. Any decent use of agents, human or software, requires carefully designed processes and permissions extrinsic to that agent's own decisionmaking abilities to make sure that agents don't do something bad for the company.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

That's the thing that's been an issue. Companies give their LLMs access to everything so certain key people have access to these documents. But normally access is key coded, and without hacking in a way that's usually very visible to sysadmins, you just cannot get access at all. With LLMs, it wants to give you what you want. There is not currently a way to keep it from being a pushover in some way. It is in part weakness of human language, and part weakness of programming it to work for whomever is doing the asking prompts. There is likely not a way to use language to make it keep secrets through all the possible ways to ask it to give you things. Nothing akin to the hardened ability of good old fashioned password protection at least. And that's true with potential designs that we've not even seen yet. Currently, it can't keep track of where data originated after a short time. It's just all data to the model. So you might not easily get access to a file directly, but you can access what it knows about a file because again, it's all just data and words at that stage.

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