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Feeling patriotic for any country by that logic would be incorrect.
NA and Europe have a colonial legacy. The middle east and indian subcontinent have their own history of imperialist aggravations, lang-grabbing, mass rapes and murders, etc. This is true for pretty much the rest of the world too (South America, Russia, east Asia).
There is no "clean" land, and it's not even a spectrum issue, because issues of a similar weight have indeed occured in everywhere.
Singling out any particular country is nonsensical.
Not quite. Few societies have anything like the Holocaust, the colonization of the Americas or British India under their belts. These things aren't unheard of, but they're still pretty rare historically since the political and economic logic usually made them suboptimal before capitalism. There's also the fact that we're not talking about only past colonialism, but also present (neo) colonialism. The difference between feeling patriotic for modern Britain and for the British Empire is a difference of degree, not kind. That said,
Absolutely. Patriotism is stupid.
It's not few by any means.
The Muslim empire spread through Africa, Europe, and Asia at its peak and many mass killings, rapes, murders, etc did occur in the process of the imperialism and land grabs.
Japan has a history of ethnic cleansing/genocide towards the Ryukyu and Ainu people. They also committed similar atrocities towards the Koreans in the war, and the mass rape of Koreans kept up through expansions of American bases there.
China has an Uyghur genocide
New Zealand genocided it's native populations the same way America and Canada did.
I can go on and on. I can give you similar dirt on most countries. This is not a phenomenon unique to a specific or few geographic regions by any means.
Hard disagree, Britain never stopped being problematic; it remains a neocolonial force today. It is the biggest arms supplier to Israel, i.e. it is directly supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians the most. Though this is not the only way it remains neocolonial.
There's no one Muslim empire so you'll need to be more specific. Also there's a pretty big difference between "normal" levels of mass killings and rapes and what European colonial powers were getting up to. Things that bad tend to get pretty famous, see: the Mongols.
Imperial Japan was also a 19th-20th century colonial power so okay? My whole argument is that not all societies have committed crimes as terrible as those committed by 19th-20th century colonial powers.
I mean yes those are all cases of European settler colonialism. Your point?
Yeah but the Uighur genocide is downright peanuts compared to anything you or I brought up in this conversation. Now I'm sure China has stuff that could be brought up here, but that's not it.
Then please do, because so far you're only going for low hanging fruits that are rightly famous for their horribleness. How does this apply to places like Syria, Afghanistan or Nepal?
Yes, which is why I said supporting Britain is problematic in the same way supporting the British Empire would've been problematic, just less so because modern Britain isn't killing millions of people every year, only thousands.
Nope, that's America. Britain is third IIRC.
All of them, quite literally.
No such thing as "normal" levels of mass killings and rape.
My argument is that all societies have these things in their history. Not the goalpost of my argument.
Wow. It's genocide. Period.
Point stands, regardless if that's true or not. Britain is still neocolonial.
Syria and Afghanistan were both part of the Muslim empire.
Yes, patriotism is just a form of artificial walls.
Correct. Patriotism is a form of xenophobia.
That's not 100% correct. For example the island nation Mauritius didn't have humans on it and has therefore been colonised and fought over without a genocide, then became independent in 1968.
Also, there are currently areas of land no nation claims for itself. They may become independent nations. We'll see.
I imagine that's very much an exception. My point was just that this is the case for the vast majority of countries, like 90%, not necessarily that it is a 100%.
So only one island on the whole planet
idk it was an example i knew right away. it's possible there are more. but to go unnoticed by humans until the slaughtering is over, they must be hard to find regions like this small island.