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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

If you're willing to defend Meta employees on those grounds you've got to be willing to give ICE employees a pass too.

Facebook and the other meta companies have done AT LEAST as much damage to society. MORE when you consider they're ALSO partly responsible for ICE.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

facebook is actually the first to do the most damage, by being one of the sole platform for russian backed propaganda to bring people into conservatism. boomers/gen x are the users.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Can you explain that last part about them being partly responsable for ICE? ICE has existed for a few years before Facebook was even founded, and they were also evil back then.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They were evil but constrained and minor. Their current power is the direct result of the anti-immigrant flames social media like Facebook have been fanning with their algorithms for years.

[–] XLE@piefed.social -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't see a reason to assume Facebook employees are, to a man, engaging in war crimes the way ICE officers are. Maybe some of them are pushing back against their overlords, like these Google employees.

Now if it were to a man... Just yesterday I learned of a Mozilla employee vouching for their partnership with Anthropic, with suspiciously close timing to when Anthropic was used to justify the bombing of children in Iran.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's the company they keep and the crimes they enable with their support. You don't have to be running the gas chambers to know what managing the punchcards is doing.

I was a 6 figure FAANG level employee in the early aughts doing consulting/development, realized I was contributing to predatory lending, quit, and took a 15k a year teaching job overseas instead. If I'd not made that choice, I wouldn't consider someone who held me personally responsible at some level for the financial crisis to be out of line.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Using a tool versus helping develop one is a very strong distinction. It's not great that they're paying for Anthropic, obviously, but they're also not contributing to Anthropic's code base. If they were? They'd absolutely be complicit.

The actual product Mozilla is building is still a net positive, or at least not negative, product to put into the world.

Meta developers can make NO such claim. What they are actually MAKING is negative and destructive and they know it. It could not exist without their efforts. The fact another office decides what specific addictive algorithms to use is irrelevant.