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[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Schengen doesn't technically mean no borders though does it? It means right to go between countries without visa/passport and without a limit on days.

That's what I always thought anyway.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago

The treaty includes an obligation to abolish regular border controls.

They can be temporarily reintroduced if needed, based on a proportionality requirement. The article argues this provision is being overused.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You are right

And it's affecting the free movement of goods and people, which is a key EU principle

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Schengen doesn’t technically mean no borders though does it? It means right to go between countries without visa/passport and without a limit on days.

Not really. That's under the roules of the single market/four freedoms/EEA. Schengen is a more or less separate thing and only governs border controls (which are generally outlawed but with exceptions). There are quite a few EEA countries that aren't in Schengen (Irelands, Romania, Bulgaria) and a few countries (Monacco, San Marino, the Vatican) that are not in the EEA but kinda participating in Schengen.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Oh. I thought it was more specifically a passport thing, and that the citizens of non-schengen EEA countries would still need a passport to enter the Schengen countries, whilst members of the Schengen countries could re-enter with others forms of ID too.

I didn't realise Schengen basically outlaws borders. Thanks for educating me :)

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

The passports/ID cards are a different thing again. They're mostly EEA, but additionally there's some recognition with some neighboring countries (the Balkans) and most Europeans can use their credit-card-sized ID card if they want to vacation in destinations like Turkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

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