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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You already shouldn't be using Chrome, and if this is what moves the needle, great.

At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane.

No.

Just flatly, no.

Local models spin your GPU like a video game. Unless you think Overwatch is a climate disaster, please learn to separate datacenter condemnation from people running their own computers a little harder.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd say you should read the article a little more closely, but it's not written very well. But it brings up interesting things that have nothing to do with your local GPU usage. For example, it names an interesting point about simply delivering 4 gigabytes of data to that many people. If pushed out to ~15% of Chrome users without consent:

  • That'd be 500 million people
  • It would be 2 exabytes of data
  • 120 GWh of energy, equivalent to the annual electricity consumption of about 36,000 average UK households
  • 30,000 tonnes CO2 emitted, roughly the annual emissions of 6,500 cars

And that's just for the initial data push. Models need ✨updates!✨

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I hate the idea of AI agents on my phone without my consent. So this is definitely fucked up. And fuck google in general.

But the power consumption argument makes little sense. That's like downloading one movie in 1080p.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We must kill the environmental disaster that is Steam.

Youtube is history's greatest monster.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Installing a game you want is different than hundreds of millions of people having something they didn't ask for getting pushed on them.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Hate the data centers and corporate obsession with extreme waste for total value capture. Not the tech, especially on a local scale.

A 128GB amd strix halo runs at 120W and can host large LLMs at home. If you ran it full time for inference it would still be under $20/mo in electricity costs.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Local models spin your GPU like a video game. Unless you think Overwatch is a climate disaster

90% of users aren't playing Overwatch.

And even if you are, that's a significant increase in power draw if you're spinning up a local LLM every time you start to type into your browser's address bar to do a search or something.

And, most importantly, you can choose when and if you want to play Overwatch. It didn't get installed without your knowledge and consent, and it doesn't run automatically.

Please tell me you aren't using a carbon footprint argument, you know. The ones Oil companies use to blame us, a population of people for climate change, instead of take action against them, and their corporate buddies. Who are a single large contributor, if not the entire problem in and of itself.

Even though we're probably very different in our beliefs I would agree that I don't want things using GPU without my consent. But I don't agree in justifying it or hatred of AI with carbon footprint rhetoric created by the companies who created this problem in the first place.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If everyone chose to play Overwatch, would that be a climate catastrophe, specifically?

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if that would rise the level of 'catastrophe' but it would certainly draw a lot of power, which would be bad for the climate, since much of that power would come from burning fossil fuels.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

Does the general existence of the video game industry deserve the same finger-wagging about environmental impact? Guy in the other subthread did the math for everyone downloading this one file, and refuses to extend that concern to all the people streaming movies.

I don't feel like using your video card is the worst thing most randos have done re: climate change. There's some uncomfortable accounting every time you eat a hamburger.

The power involved here is just not a big deal. Not unless we want to harangue people for a variety of other unremarkable habits.