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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Two parties is bad enough. I will never, ever trust a one-party government. That's like — what if conspiracy theories, but they are just public policy? Frankly not unlike our government currently, but I'd prefer more parties than fewer.

[–] Unworthy545Seal@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Two wings of the same bird of prey, unfortunately.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Democracy is broken now. It used to work but whatever it has evolved into now doesn't. Both sides don't work together for the better. How long does anything take to do? It is insane and when one side gets in they just cancel everything the other side did its pathetic.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

That's mostly just Trump. He's a complete moron, and tbh we will probably spend a decade or two undoing the stupid shit he has done — if we can. A lot of this bullshit we are stuck with until there is a big shakeup of the Supreme Court.

Absent Trump, however, mostly the efforts of both sides carry forward. Also, the world is a plate spinning on top of a pole. At any given moment, it threatens to topple, and we need parties to adjust the axis so everything keeps spinning. If it gets yanked in one direction, the wobble gets really bad and we risk the plate falling. One party really only pulls in one direction. Two parties really only pull back and forth. Multiple parties would do a much better job of finding the center where everything keeps spinning smoothly.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I will never, ever trust a one-party government

It depends on the party. Being able to pick from of a dozen different parties of capital is no different from picking from a dozen brands of peanut butter that came out of the same factory.

[–] phar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No single party won't eventually turn into a mess. Authoritarianism is never going to end well for the population.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depends on how democratic the mechanisms of the party is. Cuba's party has only become more democratic as time has gone on, and resulted in better outcomes for the people and enshrining gay rights in a constitutional referendum, which passed with 90%+ in favor. China's party has certainly became more democratic than in the 2000s when politicians were openly controlled by business.

[–] phar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yea when one of the "became more democratic" also involve persecution and incarceration of ethnic groups, it has failed. Again, authoritarianism doesn't work. You may have stints where it seems okay from the outside but it won't end in the favor of the people.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No system that challenges Western hegemony could ever "work" so long as your perspective is grounded in its propaganda.

[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Say whatever you want about the west, it doesn't automatically make authoritarianism good or better.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's less about how good/bad the West is and more about your perspective being influenced by the West's media sphere.

For most Western leftists, the only kind of revolution or movement they support are failed ones. The moment a movement actually succeeds and starts asserting control of it's own resources, you can count on hearing all about its worst aspects, if not outright fabrications, while the positive things get minimized, ignored, or "but at what cost" 'd. On top of this is the fact that some people have some perfect rosy ideal that could never exist because it fails to account for real world problems with no easy answer that you'd have to contend with in practice.

The result is a completely backwards analysis where failures are idolized and successes are seen as cautionary tales. Y'all also seem to think you're the first people in all of history to ever have the idea of "freedom good" occur to them. Which I mean, if you don't, and your approach works, then what do you have to show for it?

Evil authoritarian China lifted 800 billion people out of extreme poverty over the last 40 years. It has gone from one of the poorest countries on earth to one of the most powerful, it has established an alternative economic sphere which gives non-aligned countries choices on who to deal with (while often forgiving the debts of poor countries). But some sources in the West say they persecute minorities, and do you actually apply an ounce of skepticism to those claims? Do you critically evaluate the pros and cons and come to a nuanced, realistic evaluation of the country? Or do you just knee-jerk accept it and condemn them, wholly and without question?

[–] phar@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds like you are concentrating too much on comparing to the west and you need to look individually at the countries. The odd obsession with bringing up the west non stop is unnecessary.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Literally just spent that entire comment explaining that I'm not "comparing to the West," and the legitimate reasons I have for bringing it up. It's abundantly clear you didn't read any of it.

You're just doing the equivalent of responding to anything I say with, "The DOW is over 50,000."

[–] phar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I saw you said that but then you went on to compare. As you did all the previous posts. You don't get to just say I'm not doing this and then do it and think that is illogical answer. So you do you and keep supporting authoritarianism for some reason?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

but then you went on to compare.

Quote the part where you think I'm comparing, because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You don’t get to just say I’m not doing this and then do it and think that is illogical answer

You don't get to make shit up and claim I did something I didn't do.

So you do you and keep supporting authoritarianism for some reason?

More evidence you didn't read a word of my comment.

[–] phar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol just read your post again dude. You don't make it past the first sentence. Just stop, the far majority of people don't want your shitty authoritarianism. We don't want fascism, we don't want authoritarianism.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s less about how good/bad the West is and more about your perspective being influenced by the West’s media sphere.

That's not in any way a comparison, liar.

Just stop, the far majority of people don’t want your shitty authoritarianism. We don’t want fascism, we don’t want authoritarianism.

It's not authoritarianism you have a problem with, it's critical thinking and actually challenging power that you dislike.

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