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Western media really can't find a single Ukrainian to interview who's not an open nazi (lemmy.ml)

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Go back to reddit where you can spew this bullshit and people will actually buy it. I love how self determination doesn't apply to people of Donbas that the fascist regime you support has been terrorizing.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe you edited this post after I replied to it. I think it originally said only "fuck off back to Reddit you fascist".

As I stated in my other reply to you: I oppose the fascist Russian government.

I love how self determination doesn’t apply to people of Donbas

I am in favour of self-determination, including in the Donbas. Unfortunately self-determination was taken away from those who live in the Donbas because armed separatists, helped by Russia, took over the region. They held sham "referendums" to try to legitimise their armed seizure of the region. I don't know which view is more popular in the Donbas right now: being part of Ukraine, or being part of Russia. Given the lack of political freedom in Russian-occupied territories these days, it is practically impossible right now to determine which view is more popular.

If you believe in self-determination then presumably you think Alexei Navalny should have been able to run in Russian elections? Presumably you think he shouldn't have been poisoned by the FSB? Perhaps you didn't agree with Navalny's views, and that's fine, but self-determination means that candidates you don't like must be able to stand in elections.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Let's take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is a prominent American scholar who is not pro Russian in any sense. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here's how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

If you believe in self-determination then presumably you think Alexei Navalny should have been able to run in Russian elections?

No, I don't think open fascist should've been allowed to run in Russian elections. https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches

Presumably you think he shouldn’t have been poisoned by the FSB?

Presumably you know something that Ukrainian intelligence doesn't? https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28630

It's hilarious that you think FSB poisoned him with intent to kill him, then for some reason let him go to a hospital and fly to Germany. This would make perfect logical sense to somebody who's high on meth I suppose.

Nor was Navalny ever a popular candidate. The most national support his party ever got was only around 5%. This was never a serious party. So, again, it's not clear why anybody would think that FSB would need to poison this fascist pig.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk -3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No, I don’t think open fascist should’ve been allowed to run in Russian elections

So you don't believe in self-determination at all. I think what I believe is that a country should be able to elect whoever they like, and then that person must act within international law. If they break international law then they should be arrested and tried by a court such as the International Criminal Court.

I guess I believe in democracy and the rule of law, while you believe in arbitrary authoritarianism. That's probably why you're posting in defence of Russia's fascist regime.

There is probably no point in us talking with each other any longer. You believe in the fascist Kremlin regime invading a sovereign democratic nation and murdering its people. I hope one day you will take a more humane position, but I'm not optimistic.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, you got me. I don't believe in self determination for fascists, not being a fascist like you. However, being a fascists you're obviously lacking in intellect. I've literally explained to you that Navalny was never a serous political force in Russia and his party never had more than 5%. Navalny has fuck all to do with self determination.

Oh and what does international law say about fucking genocide fash? All of the west is actively supporting one happening in Gaza right now. You don't have any moral high ground here.

The only thing that's clear here is that you're fascist sympathizer with no moral standards. And you're right that there's no point having a further discussion with an open fascist pig like you.