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[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

They always weasel out of taxes. My idea was to give each person something like carbon coins that works like an emission permit. Give everyone the same amount each month and keep it within nature's limits. Then, if someone wants to do something polluting like run a datacenter, they'll just have to purchase the coins for that from the open market from those willing to sell. The end result is still money going to the poor but not as a tax, and hard limit on pollution.

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It takes one country to not play along and the whole industry rushes there...

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, there is a need for tariffs, based on worst cause estimates of pollution, for countries not playing along.

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't that the principle of carbon credits ? (cf message from Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com). It doesn't work very well in practice, it's riddled with loopholes.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

That the same for taxes that UBI would depend on. See Panama papers. Corruption and loopholes are an issue in any system.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anything but doing UBI, lol.

Oh and btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offsets_and_credits
Essentially that but without the building thingie and without that ⬇️

The end result is still money going to the poor but not as a tax, and hard limit on pollution.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Anything but doing UBI, lol.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of resistance to giving money, replace systems and taxing parts of UBI.

Reworking existing systems seems easier.