this post was submitted on 01 May 2026
107 points (99.1% liked)

Europe

11070 readers
722 users here now

News and information from Europe πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
  10. Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.

(This list may get expanded as necessary.)

Posts that link to the following sources will be removed

Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media (incl. Substack). Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com

(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)

Ban lengths, etc.

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the admin that applied the rule (check modlog first to find who was it.)

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

In 2021, the Grohnde nuclear power plant in Lower Saxony on the Weser River was shut down. Now, immediately next to it, the Emmerthal energy cluster is growing with three very large battery storage systems, ground-mounted photovoltaic systems, and a new substation for several 380-kilovolt high-voltage lines.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The plants where at a age where they had to be practically rebuild,

Were German NPPs especially poorly built? Every other country is happily running plants from the 70s and 80s.

And the total amount of nuclear power in Germany was never enough to entirely replace coal burning.

The fuck are you talking about? Before the phase-out started in 2009 Germany was producing about 20 GW from both nuclear and lignite. They produce basically no nuclear power and lignite only very recently dipped below that number. Quite plainly, those numbers could have been reversed.

Everything you posted after that is speculation based on wrong data.

You really need to stop riding a dead horse

You need to stop lying. This was a political move, made to appease like you who dislike nuclear and are unaware that lignite is significantly worse for the entire planet. It was a popular political move and you agree with it, which is quite visible in your username.

Neither of those points make it a smart move. Germany spent massive effort to eliminate by far the least bad fossil fuel, and kept by far the worst fossil fuel. It's great that they're moving the right way on production, but they started at the wrong end in the shut down.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No, this was a rational move based on economic factors and actually caring about reactor safty of half a century old and outdated designs.

You need to take your head out of your nuclear villiage bubble and rationally assess the situation.

I am not even against running existing nuclear power plants that are somewhat recently build and relatively safe. But building new ones makes absolutely no economic sense and is actively bad for the climate since much better alternatives exist.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No, this was a rational move based on economic factors

The economic factors being the ones they specifically created to only apply to nuclear. Nobody is mandating lignite plants to store their CO2 till the end of time.

actually caring about reactor safty of half a century old and outdated designs.

Right, except they also shut down all the ones that aren't super old, outdated and unsafe.

I am not even against running existing nuclear power plants that are somewhat recently build and relatively safe.

But they're not doing that. They shut them all down, and kept lignite running, constantly postponing their shutdown.

But building new ones makes absolutely no economic sense and is actively bad for the climate since much better alternatives exist.

Sure, that's fine. But it's plainly stupid to shut down a good, safe and working NPP, and keep a lignite plant going, when you could have done the reverse. That's my entire point.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Right, except they also shut down all the ones that aren’t super old, outdated and unsafe.

Two of them, which just barely didn't make the minimal threshold of not having been operated already beyond their original intended lifespan. They were just as unsafe and outdated as the others.