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Oh yeah fair enough. I was more focused on OP's bad argument that I forgot about this. My bad
Yes. I think this comic just does a bad job of portraying this. The second sign is unnecessarily agressive and a conference doesnt make much of an immediate connection to a safe space.
Why would a space exclusive for feminists ever not be a safe space for women?
A space can be safe for cisgender, white feminists without being a safe space for trans women, women of color, working class women, disabled women, etc. Intersectionality is a big part of what makes โgeneralโ spaces for women actually only safe or accessible for women who fit a narrow ideal of Western womanhood.
Like, ideally a feminist space would account for this, but ask a black feminist if theyโre safe and welcome in every feminist space and they will probably tell you no, because many spaces center the concerns of cisgender, white, otherwise privileged women.
Seems a bit sexist
I am not shocked that we're still having this "discussion" in 2026
It's like the discussion about if you can be racist toward white people. It's endless drama
Depends on whether you're using the common definition, or intersectional feminist jargon. That is literally the distinction.
Common definitions:
Intersectional feminist jargon:
PS: Race isn't real. Not even a social construct: it's straight up an arbitrary line drawn by a bunch of ignorant assholes, for the sake of being assholes. Ethnicities are real though.
It's not. You're boring and stupid. Go read a book.
You're saying it's not endless drama while participating in the drama
You canโt shit your pants then blame other people for participating in it because they called you out for it.
A single comment wouldn't be drama. This would be more like bringing food for everyone and saying it will cause diarrhea. It always does and people always eat it.
But I did bring the food
A single comment. You said the other commenter was participating in the drama by commenting on your comment. So which is it?
I made a single comment that got the drama started. The drama is that comment and the replies to it. It wouldn't be drama without the replies
All I did was shit my pants. The drama is everyone reacting to the smell. Alright then.
I guess that's a better way to phrase it than the original, since the drama is the ensuing thing more than what started it. Some topics are just surefire ways to get the thing going
Imma go ahead and tag you with โshits their pantsโ
TIL we can tag people
Hohojoho you've got me now
All non-women that could attend that conference safely respect their choice and don't want to. Thus the sign is valid.
The fact this doesn't hold when "feminism" is gender-reversed comes from patriarchy. Treating men better than our patriarchical society treats them without treating women worse is a feminist position.
And indeed, feminist men-only groups are just as respected by feminists as feminist women-only groups.
The exclusion is still solely based on sex. I'm not even saying that's wrong in all situations
It isn't. My sex is XY, but I would be allowed entry because I'm a (trans) woman. More importantly, it's about the shared experience of being treated as a woman or being at risk of being treated as a woman in patriarchal society.
That said, the social status of someone who is known to have XX chromosomes or who is at risk of people learning they have XX chromosomes would also have a lot of overlap with women, so it would make sense in many cases to categorically allow everyone with XX chromosomes even if they are (cis) men.
(I don't think cis men with XX chromosomes are medically possible, but you can have cis women with XY chromosomes because testosterone insensitivity isn't lethal).
So these days, most of the time you would have more queer-inclusive categories like FLINTA, explicitly including everyone who has experience with patriarchy as "the woman". Different exclusions make sense in different situations; sometimes it makes sense to exclude trans men, sometimes it makes sense to exclude people who don't menstruate. Sometimes organisations are wrong/immoral about who they exclude, like TERFs. But a feminist meeting without men is going to be able to touch on a lot of topics they otherwise couldn't safely and go a lot deeper than when having to explain things to men.
(There's also the "sexism = prejudice + power" thing, which I don't really vibe with as a rebuttal because it neglects the power of local institutions that may run askew from larger society; if you can host a conference, you have enough power for your prejudice to be sexist).
So is it more a gender than sex exclusion? My native language doesn't (afaik) separate the two so it can be hard for me to remember to make the distinction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
Women choosing who they want to spend their time with is sexist?
Is that based on solely the sex of the person?
Yes. Because sex discrimination and sexism are not the same thing. And not all forms of discrimination are wrong. We just use "discrimination is wrong" as a useful first-pass mental hack. But every non-discrimination law is written with certain reasonable exceptions built into it. It is sex discrimination, but not sexism, to refuse to hire cis men as wet nurses. It is disability discrimination, but not illegal discrimination, to refuse to hire someone in a wheelchair to be a circus acrobat.
This is sex discrimination, but it is neither illegal or sexism. It's not saying that men are inherently inferior to women. It's saying that there is a bona fide reason to make this space woman-only, based on the lived experience of men vs women.
I think it's fine to have women-only or men-only spaces if the goal is to not have the social dynamics of a mixed space for specific discussions. I don't think that's discrimination at all, but that word has multiple meanings.
Neither of these are prejudiced. You also wouldn't hire a cis woman as wet nurse if she couldn't breastfeed (which is the reason for discriminating) and there certainly are circus acrobats who are wheelchair-bound, it's just that usual acts wouldn't work with that, especially not safely.
The other form of discrimination is based on prejudice against a group, no exceptions. It's not "no because you can't do X", it's "no because you are X". That's never a good thing. But it also isn't necessarily the motivation behind creating an X-only space.
Wikipedia just redirects sex discrimination to sexism