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But this is a false dichotomy. The missile systems we send to Ukraine? They come with operators, often remote ones. They can't be used without US satellite feeds and recon. They require immense training and we send trainers. You think aid to Ukraine is just money? It's measured in money, but it's not like we send them money and they go to weapons store to buy more weapons in their way home from work. It's a full blown logistics operation. You think they just slap a FedEx sticker on a tank?
But also, Ukraine is not undergoing ethnic cleansing. As you said, it's in a war. Russia has stayed in a very small area of Ukraine that is predominantly inhabited by ethnic Russians. Russia does not make the demand for an apartheid regime, it does not have different laws for ethnic Ukrainians. It does not have an entire population that believes every Ukranian child is a valid military target because they will grow up to be terrorists. Palestine is being ethnically cleanses. Ukraine is being partially occupied in a war of attrition. There's a huge difference between these two phenomena.
That "small" part is about 20% of Ukraine and they are only "staying" there because that's the limit of what the Russian army has been able to secure so far. Putin would be tap dancing in Lviv if the Russian army could take it.
While the war in Ukraine is not the same degree of tragedy we are seeing in Palestine, there are still issues with ethnically Ukrainian children being taken from their homes and ethnically Ukranian citizens being told they must either take up Russian passports/citizenship or leave. Forced migrations also count as genocide/ethnic cleansing.
Forced migration of Ukrainians from borderlands into central Ukraine is not genocide! Jesus, people will twist and turn to keep their moral high ground. Imagine if it was the other way around and Ukraine crossed the border and pushed Russians further into Russia and tell me if you think that would actually be genocide. It's a ridiculous proposition.
And it's made more ridiculous when you understand the history of how the border was defined. It would be like saying pushing the Mexican border North into Texas and then dsiplacing the Americans that live in South Texas into North Texas is ethnic cleansing. No it's not. It's a border dispute.
Exactly, and it's not liberalism to acknowledge those practical differences. Palestine needs its sovereignty acknowledged and enforced by an international coalition of countries willing to jointly oppose Israel's occupation using military force. That's a very different proposition than what we do when we send military aid to another country.
No, we're talking past each other. The sentence you quoted was not about defense, it was about your claim that Ukraine is being ethnically cleanses by Russia. It is not.
Pretty sure I never said that, actually. You seem to have a very specific argument you want to have, and you'll read whatever you have to into what I say in order to have it, so I think I'm done here
It was in the image that you are replying to.