Late Stage Capitalism
A One-Stop-Shop for Evidence of our Social, Moral and Ideological Rot.
(It is also the official version of r/LateStageCapitalism/ on the Fediverse)
This community is for:
News, discussion, memes, and links criticizing capitalism and advancing viewpoints that challenge the narratives which act as legitimations for the status quo of modern class society. Posts need not be about capitalism specifically, whether late-stage or otherwise; we simply aim to cater to a socialist audience.
We do allow links to threads and comments on Lemmy/Reddit, as long as they are relevant to the content guidelines and follow the rules. Use NP links, or your post will be deleted.
Philosophy:
This community has its roots in broad-based anti-capitalist thought, with an emphasis on Marxist concepts and analysis and a commitment to antiracism and inclusive feminism.
When it comes to proposed alternatives to Capitalism, it is the general consensus of this community that class-divisions and alienated labour must be abolished; production must be collectively organized by the laborers themselves for the direct benefit of all. We call this socialism.
Find out more here: The Principles of Communism
Rules:
1. Lemmygrad-wide rules apply. Behavior such as brigading and harassment won't be permitted. Neither will posts that can be interpreted as explicit threats of/calls for violence.
2. Any post that makes a claim should have a RELIABLE source or explanation in the comments by OP. All claims, news articles, tweets and so forth that are an example of LSC should be substantiated with a reliable, factual and verifiable source. Any posts that egregiously break this rule will have their poster temporarily banned. If the Automoderator deletes the comment with sources that's fine, the moderators can still see and restore it.
3. No trolling. "I was just trolling" won't be accepted as a defense for breaking rules, and we will ban for intentionally disruptive behavior or attacks on our community, users, or philosophy.
4. No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This community is intended for a socialist audience, and while good faith questions are allowed, pushing your own counter-narrative here is not. We do not allow support here for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it. We are not a liberal or (U.S.-/Social-) Democrat community; we are a socialist community.
5. No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or zionism. This includes not just ideologies to the right of liberalism but also right-wing fixations such as national/ethnic/cultural chauvinism and military/police worship regardless of the underlying ideology. We take no side in the Russia/Ukraine conflict.
6. No "lesser evil" rhetoric. Lesser-evil rhetoric in relation to elections or current policies is prohibited. Dismissing voting third party because they are “useless” or because you are “throwing your vote away” also violates this rule. It also encompasses saying Trump is “worse” for Gaza, as that place is already completely destroyed. Trump is merely carrying out what the American ruling class started under Biden. Resorts being built and mass relocation were already happening under Biden and Kamala would’ve continued it.
7. No bigotry. No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, or classism. The respect for readers who are subject to these forms of bigotry takes priority in this community over your right to speak freely.
8. Be nice to each other. Be respectful towards other socialists you disagree with, but also non-socialists who follow the rules and participate in good faith. Feel free to dunk on trolls, bigots and bootlickers to your heart’s content.
9. Bans are at moderator discretion. We reserve the right to eject users (as well as remove, lock, or otherwise moderate any content on the community) for reasons not listed if we consider it necessary to do so.
10. Don’t bother sending us personal promotion requests. We are not an advertising platform for your blog or YouTube channel.
11. Do not post content from Dan Price, any other CEO/business owner or ANY liberal politician/official.
This is regarding positive posts or posts agreeing with their statement. Negative posts are permitted but better suited to communities like /c/ShitReactionariesSay
Please note that Robert Reich or Bernie Sanders as liberals also fall under this rule.
12. Do not post NSFL content and flair NSFW posts accordingly. NSFL posts will be removed. Flair NSFW posts with the appropriate content warning flair, otherwise you will be banned temporarily.
13. This is not a debate community. Constructive questions and discussion are welcome, but our basic philosophy is non-negotiable and we aren’t interested in repeatedly having to explain or justify it. We also won’t debate about so-called “socialist” countries. There are plenty of political debate communities, so take your 'gotchas' there.
14. No AI generated content. The community does not allow for AI generated content, even if it’s pro-socialist/communist.
view the rest of the comments
Sorry, I assumed the people on Lemmygrad were intelligent enough to recognize sarcasm without the use of a smiley face. My apologies.
/s is your friend
I came up with an argument that shows me wrong, and you correct. I was being self-centered, and forgot that this is an international platform with many people using English as a second language. Nuance my not be in their wheelhouse. So, "/s" it is moving forward. Thanks for pointing out the errors and arrogance of my ways.
That's like having to explain a joke to someone. Might as well open a Bluesky account.
You are having to explain the one that started this comment chain. You should seriously consider letting go and absorbing the feedback being offered to you.
It's not a matter of intellect. Do you realize how many neurodivergent people are ostracized into communist circles?
There are ways to convey sarcasm through text alone. Your post made no attempt to convey any such undertones; it was completely straight-faced and delivered in a believable manner. It sounded like something someone would really say and believe unironically.
But what do I know about written language and how it's used? I'm just a writer.
I apologize for being stupid. Clearly your superior intellect just made me feel inadequate.
I am also guilty of assuming sarcasm would be understood. Would you please detail some of the written ways to convey sarcastic intent without the sarcasm tag? Tyia
Context is the most useful clue. If a take sounds absurd there's a fairly high chance it's meant to be interpreted exactly that way.
e.g. "Man, I can't wait to get bombed!"
Does this sound like something a normal person would say? No, it sounds too outlandish to be believable. Could someone believe this unironically? Sure, but the odds aren't likely. Most people don't want to be bombed - never mind be excited at the prospect.
Word choice also matters. Notice the choice of the first word: "man" being used as a casual expression, followed immediately by something horrific. It's too nonchalant.
Nobody enjoys being bombed, nobody wants to be bombed, and nobody would be so chill with the idea of being bombed. This isn't behavior you'd see from normal people; so it's easy to conclude that there are only two possibilities:
The latter is statistically more likely and tends to be the safest bet.
This isn't an exhaustive list of how to convey sarcasm through text but generally all you have to do is follow the basic logic of taking a serious topic and applying a non-serious take to it. The real trick is figuring out how outlandish what your saying sounds. Some things sound crazier to some people more than others, which is why it's generally best to sound as silly as possible lest you be misunderstood - as happened here.
Tbh, though I appreciate your effort to explain how to make it clearer (it's a solid breakdown on language use), I tend to be of the view that unless you really know your audience (ex: you're speaking to a close friend who you can trust knows you and knows your tells for joking and serious) it's almost always better to say outright whether you're joking.
One point made in this thread is that not doing so makes it more difficult for people on the autism spectrum. But it's not only that. There's a reason Poe's law become an adage on the internet:
In particular, in ideological spaces, there's real risk that parody of reactionary views can be used as a means of laundering real reactionary views through irony poisoning:
Or through a process like that of what is sometimes called "Schrodinger's douchebag":
I've been wanting to write a longer post on this subject for some time, but never quite got around to it. In general, it seems to me that the common western view on parody and satire, that it's somehow more clever/valuable/compelling if it is not explicitly and openly called attention to as such, is rooted in elitism rather than effectiveness (e.g. the idea is that there are the ones who are "clever enough of mind" to get it and the ones who aren't, and the ones who aren't are supposed to be left out - otherwise, why not say what it is?). Sans elitism, the "why not specify" could have some validity in theory. For example, I could imagine a scenario where speech is so criminalized that using satire to speak in code may have some value. However, that's generally not what people are dealing with on the western English-speaking internet; either speech is not criminalized to such a degree or when it is, satire doesn't help as "code" because of how easily it can be mistaken for the real thing and the anonymity means you won't generally speaking to people who know you in order to decipher your true meaning.
Also tagging @Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml because I think it's worth you considering this perspective on the subject.
Honestly, it seems like being vaporized may be the more merciful unchosen option, although that decision is not in the average hands, alone; but I get your meaning. Thanks.
Many* of us are on the autism spectrum or have symptom overlap from trauma related brain rewiring. We can undo most of it, but it seems literalism can be sticky.
This is not a matter of how "intelligent" people are this is a factor of 1) trying to decipher what you are saying, especialy when all we have is a username and text. A tone indicator of some kind is helpful in deciphering your intention.
also please refrain from calling or implying other users are not intelligent enough.
tips fedora to a fellow redditor where is the narwhal bacon, my good sir?