She-Ra is the worst queer show I've ever seen. The first arc is about Communist Revolutionary Adora learning to overcome her biases against the monarchy, realising that she was accidentally a tankie, and converting to rainbow monarchism.

If the show were any good, Swiftwind would have impaled Glimmer on his horn and then he and Adora would have gone and formed an ACTUAL resistance with Huntara, Double Trouble, Seahawk, and Scorpia. Bow can come too if he quits being a class traitor.

Then they can go roaming around Etheria assassinating royals and leading the people to freedom, while recruiting Horde defectors. Outreach to the working class would have been a lot easier without the royals tagging along, and Hordak wouldn't have had all his robots if the purple haired abuser were dead. The only serious obstacle remaining is Shadow Weaver.

Anyway I hate monarchaganda. Go watch Owl House or Steven Universe or Infinity Train or Dead End instead. You don't need royals and Mattel to make a good show for queer kids.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Horde was Imperialist, not revolutionary. It was also anti-environmentalist.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they fed their troops propaganda about how they're the good guys liberating Etheria from the evil monarchy. What I'm saying is Adora, as a person, started out as a revolutionary who wanted the monarchy to burn. One she realised the Horde is bad, she switched sides to team liberalism, but never became as based as she thought she was in episode 1.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (38 children)

And?

Are you saying that anyone who goes from being a propagandised drone over to being a pragmatic person, who tries to do their best to ensure the survival of their planet and to minimise suffering, isn't worthy enough for you?

She recognised the colonialism of her ancestors and rejected it, too.

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Aww shit, here we go again.

The whole point of Adora's arc is rejecting her destiny and expectations of the crown, instead doing what makes herself happy(gay with the cat). The royalty set up to control the planet's magic is the origin of a lot of their problems, and rejecting the sanctity of those hierarchical institutions is kinda a thing they had to do. However, it has princesses fighting a colonial enemy rather than a pure working class organization, so it's basically saying that monarchy is based!

I'm so fucking sorry that a show based on a property created to sell toys isn't ideologically perfect. I'm so fucking sorry a show that couldn't explicitly put the main characters in a relationship until the last episode couldn't wave a communist flag its entire runtime. Let's ignore the fact that if it pushed the envelope any harder, it probably would've been taken away from the creators.

Out of all the shows you listed, 2 got cancelled, 1 had the writers fired, and only Steven Universe actually came out mostly intact. In order for any queer shows to get made, they need to make huge compromises with the oligarchs, and plenty of other shows don't make it. Some become the opposite of what they started off as, many get cancelled, and far more never get made at all. It's a painful fact that major IPs are legally made by nonhuman entities, and that every person who actually crafts those stories are only employees who helped the company in creation.

So if you actually hate Mattel and want to enjoy one of the gayest shows that actually got finished, go pirate She-Ra. Afterall, piracy is the only way to experience it at this point.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Mattel money isn't the reason She-Ra got to the end. It's because they kept the gay stuff subtle enough to overlook until the last season. It was all subtext and background characters, none of it was canon enough for the executives to notice. If you're going to hold up She-Ra as a great example of gay television, you might as well include the Legend of Korra, because it did the same thing.

Now we've danced this dance before, and you've suggested I block your community. I've done that, which is why we haven't argued about this in a while. But if we're gonna be having this argument again, you can read My story with She-Ra. Content warning: abuse, rape, indoctrination. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D6EY6P1cPL7Q-sNtqohIbzjcRIKozEwtJ1UA2t9bmHM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Also, Owl House managed to get an ending, and it was awesome!

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And blocking the community doesn't mean you should get all up in arms over a crosspost that doesn't feature a single She-Ra character. The meme can easily be taken on its own; you could've even tied it into the shows you mentioned. Now we're dancing this dance when we should be celebrating yuri, and no one is any better off for it.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 month ago

When My PTSD gets triggered, I find it easier to put My feelings into words and put the words out into the world, than to lock them up inside and find Myself still obsessing over them hours later. I'm not gonna bottle up My trauma for the comfort of She-Ra fans. Pressing the submit button on a comment feels like letting go of that hurt and rage, it helps Me move on.

And there is no way to say this without it coming across as a barb, but please use My preferred pronouns when referring to Me.

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Average She-Ra discourse

[–] Mandarbmax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to defend monarchy in general, but the specific monarchical system on that planet has much better material conditions for the proletariat than the horde. Trying to fight the horde and the monarchy at the same time would just lead to the horde winning. Toleration of the monarchy was a necessary evil. This reflects real life where collaborating with liberals is often needed to fight fascism.

After the show ended though adora should have gotten to work ending the monarchy though.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think that's true. At the start of the series, Mermista had lost all of her political power by being a bad ruler. So Adora helped Mermista get her subjects back, and then had access to Mermista's subjects as allies. She could have just skipped the middleman and recruited the ocean people directly. Same goes for Dryl, they could have rescued/recruited the servants and then left. They didn't need that purple haired abuser, she was a force for evil the whole time.