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Hyprland might have some toxic community issues but calling it the project of Nazis is outright disinformation. The guy behind Omarchy is also likely not a Nazi, he might be called right extreme through, certainly anti-Islam and anti-Immigration. Nothing of that bleeds into the Omarchy project which has really nothing to do with politics. Now the question is are you going to support an apolitical project that you like for its merits, if the key person behind it is far right, or do you not?
I can understand both positions but just supporting such a project, doesn't make every supporter a right extreme, let alone a Nazi. That is hyperbole.
You realize that "apolitical" is an extremely well-known nazi dog-whistle / pure apologetics these days, right? I'm not saying you shouldn't buy framework, that's your call to make, and my threshold-to-nazi is clearly different from yours, but I do think people should at least look at who they're in bed with.
apolitical is also a word with a definition
Definitions, or rather language, tend to change over time. Usually turning into their opposites. And nothing stops people, in this case right wingers, to abuse a term to hide their crap either. See "Evolution: Contoversy". No,I'm sorry, just like "Hacker" has become a synonym for "Cracker" & "Black Hat", so "apolitical" has become a fig leaf to "hide" right wing bullshit in plain sight
Sure everything has a definition. Like antropsophy - doesn't mean it makes sense.
IMO there is no such thing as "apolitical". Organisations or projects where money or resources flow are automatically political. Because where are the resources or the money coming from?
So absolutely every commercial activity is "political"? What is the political nature of selling sheep cheese for example?
There is a political movement opposing the making and selling of sheep cheese: Veganism -> the ethical part of it is political.
How much do you pay the workers selling the cheese? -> political
How are you allowed to buy sheep? Online? In a package? Are you allowed to clone it? -> political
How many taxes do you pay - how much does "big sheep"? -> political
So while it mostly is not a political act of you to sell the sheep-cheese there are a lot of political questions surrounding the selling of it.
It can however also be a political act: selling sheep's milk at a religious event that is strictly against sheep's being milked by humans can be seen as a form of protest.
Veganism may be political, but to construe selling sheep cheese as a political statement against veganism is absurd.
I notice you glossed over all the other political aspects of selling sheep cheese that they listed.
The price is political. Who you sell to is political. Who milks the sheep is political. Zoning for sheep grazing is political. Property is political. Feed is political. Animal welfare is political. Owning animals is political. It's all politics, all the way down.
Any time people are involved, politics follow. "Apolitical" is a lie told by people who want their politics to just be "normal".
Well, if you go deep down like that, indeed everything is political. Then let's be more concrete. What political aspect of Omarchy itself do you find appaling. Let me hear of it. No not the guy developing it. You said, everything is political so tell me what is the political nature of Omarchy itself that is to be opposed.
It literally advertises itself as "opinionated" and is being pushed as "non-woke" (whatever the fuck that means). It's funded by Cloudfare, not simply because the distro needs money, but also because the developer is opposed to torrenting. It has closed-source chatbots like ChatGPT and Grok pre-installed into it. These are all political positions and choices.
And it's certainly a political choice to give your money to it and wear the merch (which are just advertisements you pay for the privilege to wear). Don't be surprised if someone assumed you're a Nick Fuentes fan if they recognize your swag.
Opinionated in a Linux context means specific design choices, and a setup not for a wide audience but for a specific audience. In this case mostly programmers. That has nothing to do with "woke" or "non-woke".
I have not been aware of it being pushed as "non-woke". Can you add a primary source for that claim? I could not find "non-woke" anywhere on the Omarchy site or its manual.
Sorry, I mean it's being pushed that way by its fans. There are people who like Omarchy specifically because of who its behind it.
That's why, if you wore their merch, you'd be making a political statement - similar to wearing Tesla merch.
I am opposing organisations to be apolitical. I do not know much about the project at all.
Is every commercial activity not political? Engaging in a commercial activity by definition has some socioeconomic impact(or else this activity would not be viable), and therefore is political in my opinion.
To fight big cow dairy?
I always suspected the miniature rail operators in the local city park are proponents of big rail feeding already the youngest with pro-rail propaganda!
what do you buy instead?
Usually very old (more tenth than second-hand) Lenovo ThinkPads (And, yes, I am aware of IBMs involvement in Holocaust management via the Deutsche Hollerith-Maschienen AG), they tend to be ok for neat things like LibreBoot too. If I didn't want to tinker with them myself I'd buy directly from https://minifree.org/ instead. Sure, they are oooooold, but I'm a programmer of the vim-persuasion, but not compiling horrible languages like C++, so I really don't need much. That said: I am ok with people making their own decisions, following their own moral compass; I really just wanted to make sure that they are at least aware and can make an informed decision ;-)
Ok, please, go ahead, explain me the political dimension of any part of Omarchy. No, not the guy behind it, the Linux "distro". I am listening.
And what exactly makes any leading figure of Hyprland an actual Nazi? Please elaborate with concrete arguments.
PS: I have not even used "apolitical" anywhere. Are you suggesting that stating that there can be software that simply has no political dimension to it is already a "nazi dog-whistle"?
I do not agree with everything in that thread but I do agree on that part: every project or organisation that is involved in flow of money or resources(which dev-time is!) is automatically living in a political space.
There's loads of articles out there about them,not my job to explain them to you. You may disagree with their conclusions, of course, but othes may draw conclusions from your behaviour, too. In this sense: plonk
He once said London is worse because it has fewer whites. He used some shitty noncommital dogwhistle phrase like "native British" or something like that, but the statistic he referred to (and actually referenced when saying that) was about the percentage of white Londoners. When this was pointed out to him, he didn't go "oops, how embarrassing, let me adjust the statistics I referred to", or "let me clarify my point" or anything like that. He just whined that he wasn't allowed to have an opinion.
So, is he a card carrying member of the early 20th century German National Socialist party? No. But I don't think it's overblown to call him a nazi.
This post has some more details:
https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem
That makes him a racist bad enough but does he also call for dictatorship or genocide? Because that is what Nazis did. If only the dictatorship applies to him, we can debate it at least if he fits the description Nazi.
But then, I find the guy horrible anyhow and I don't care about Omarchy but like not everyone driving a Tesla is a right extreme, not everyone using Omarchy is one either.
That's "otherwise it's just sparkling fascism" level semantics.
It doesn't hurt to be precise with words but maybe that's just me. A racist is not necessarily trying to overthrow a democratic government, a fascist is.
You need to straighten out your definition of fascist. Hitler is a fascist. Take your favorite definition of fascist, like Ecco's or whatever, and Hitler will satisfy it. He does fascism. His policies are militaristic, nationalistic, he enacts laws to suppress minorities, etc. Someone who votes for Hitler does none of those things, but they're still a fascist by any sensible meaning of the word.
Today, there are fascists operating in our democratic systems. From the British National Party to Trump. Not all of them are actively overthrowing the systems they exist in. One such fascist is Tommy Robinson. DHH has expressed explicit support for Robinson and his white nationalist rallies.
You do not know DHH's politics. You don't know who he voted for. Nor do I. But we can make an educated guess based on his open white nationalism and his explicit support for fascists. If someone basically tells you "hi, I'm a fascist", you believe them.
Also, I don't know who you think you're helping by playing these semantic games (based on shoddy definitions btw).
I was nowhere saying that Hitler wasn't fascist. A fascist needs to have at least the ambition to overthrow the democratic system with free and fair elections, rule of law and free media.
The BNP and Trump fulfill that criterion. Does DHH do so? If so, can you please provide me with some source for that claim? I wasn't aware of that so far. He may very well be a secret fascist but anyone might be. So you speculate that he is a fascist because he is a racist. Fine, but that is speculation. Not every racist is a fascist even if there is some overlap.
No, please read my full comment. He is very likely to be a fascist because he supports fascists. And you can find the source of his support of Robinson in my earlier comment.
I had a look at this Tommy Robinson. Yes, if DHH expressed support for that guy he is at least someone supporting a fascist. So a rascist supporting a fascist. So yes, one could speculate of DHH being a fascist but the post where he referenced Robinson's anti-immigration march (not Robinson directly) was exclusively about DHH's racist ideas. If he opposes democratic institutions, rule of law or free and fair elections he is at least not openly communicating about that.
PS: I had a look at the list of projects and events Framework supports. I couldn't finds any mention of Omarchy or Ruby on Rails from the sponsoring list from 2025 till now.
Could you please explain why you're so desperately defending a white nationalist?
By your logic Framework is fascist. Is that's what you are saying?
Framework is a company. But yes, supporting an open fascist is a bad thing (I cannot believe this needs saying), even if s company does it, which is why people are so upset about it.
I feel like you've come around to the point that DHH is a fascist. That's good to see at least.
I don't know what you're expecting debating with a .ml honestly.
I've seen the many forms in which human stupidity manifests, but Lemmy instance tribalism is absolutely one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
Yes warning someone that they are about to get their fingers bitten off by a user from one of the most disingenuous groups online is the stupidest things you've ever seen then you must live in at the CERN LHC and never go out.
Thinking the entirety of the third largest, oldest Lemmy instance is a cultural, political, or even behavioral monolith makes a room temperature IQ enviable. Clearly all 58k .ml users believe and behave similarly. Clearly.
Just writing this sarcastically managed to make me even stupider.
I'm going to reply one more time and then block because there is no point in debating.
The .ml instance (including hex and grad) is one of the most controlled instances. Anything that doesn't align with support to authoritarian regime's objectives is nearly immediately silenced and will probably get you a ban from the whole instance itself. There are countless examples on https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad
I invite everyone reading this exchange to go there and make an opinion for themselves. The mods actions from .ml speak volumes just as the behaviour of their users (and brigading I can already see here).
Fuck tankies.