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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As someone who is fiercely argumentative myself (and stubborn, foul-mouthed, and irritable to boot), I totally get getting into scraps with fellow leftists. I am by no means telling you to asspat anyone! People only change when regularly and vigorously challenged, and often not even then - but certainly an unchallenged view is an unexamined one for most.

But ultimately, please try to remember that we are all capable of being comrades here - or at least most of us. We have broad agreement in what needs to go - we can support each other, both ideologically and practically, in the many ways to go about it, even if they may not be the way we ourselves would prefer.

You don't have to fluff everyone no matter how far-fetched their idea, in a "We couldn't win this fight without you trying to project your consciousness into the Astral Realm to awaken the Primordial Leftist Gestalt! πŸ˜­πŸ™" way, but when someone says to you "I'm an anarchist, I organize to alleviate suffering at the grassroots level", the correct response is "Right on, comrade", even if you think state institutions are the optimal solution. Even in simply engaging in the fight, we raise its visibility; in raising visibility, we weaken the powers that be and widen the embrace for our comrades to join us.

None of us will win this fight alone. The leviathan will drag its carcass onwards as long as we refuse solidarity with each other. Maybe not everyone is an ally - but don't operate from the presupposition that disagreement is automatic cause for division.

There are many futures yet possible which are better than our present (though that may be damnation by faint praise), and the chance of any one of us having our ideology implemented 100% in any of them is very fucking slim. If you operate with the mindset of "Only my way is valid," not only do you offload the burden of achieving success onto people who are willing to engage in solidarity with their comrades, but when the future comes, no matter how hard you fought for it... you will be disappointed.

The world doesn't end with ourselves. We exist, and will continue to exist, with many other ways of thinking and doing things. The important thing is to prioritize disagreements, both in action and in sentiment. As long as a comrade is working towards the goal of a better world in SOME way that is not utterly futile, like begging for scraps at a fascist table, they are infinitely more your comrade than anyone who is... well, not working towards that cause.

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get it. I don't mean to be like that because I don't make what I'm thinking so well spoken, offhand. I'm trying to talk to people like you and not thinking about fighting til they take some shit I didn't mean all personal and I'm confounded when they make it all personal, and shit. Litterally. Pun misspelled on purr pose.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

I know that experience. I can be vicious, but I generally don't take things personally, personally (ha). Sometimes I'm confused when someone is upset at me towards me for a prior argument, because while my tone can be incredibly bitter, sardonic, and biting, it's also generally not meant personally (unless I've had extensive experience with the other person, in which case it might be).

Part of it is that I'm an irritable fellow by nature - I'm not exactly responding with total zen, but rather an aching body and a sense of annoyance at having to re-tackle points I probably feel have fairly obvious flaws.

Part of it is that I regard pointing out the necessary implications of a point as both necessary and powerful in arguing. "You can't say that the descendants of immigrants must be expelled without applying that same logic to modern immigrants, which I think we would both find the same logic as modern fascists" isn't meant personally, but it does definitely have a component of it that can be fairly taken personally - that the position necessarily, if consistent and not just a gut reaction, implies a much deeper and more gruesome aspect of the person's core ideological identity. While meant as "This is not consistent with your other views, and this is to force you to confront that as a very serious break with the basic values you espouse", it's often taken instead as "You are a Bad Person and a Fascist; this is namecalling and degradation."

(it also doesn't help that I'm not above namecalling and degradation if I think the person actually consistently takes the position)

Part of it is that one of the core things I learned in my years of arguing is that people often retreat into "agree to disagree" or that the quibble is "just politics/policy" if allowed to, when the implications often went much deeper than that. Policy is something that can be simply disagreed on when sufficiently aligned - but policy often has implications of values and morals, and ignoring that is the same blinkered campism that tribalistic ideologies fall into. When Comrade Stalin(tm) starts talking about throwing degenerates into GULAG, you have to take a step back and say "This is incongruent with my basic values", not just "Oh, well, it's just a policy difference, we can agree to disagree." The alternative is either that you end up on the wrong side of the debate at some point (and thus often ostracized or punished by the fellows you 'agreed to disagree' with), or worse, you become a bootlicker.

Of course, there's also that I'm short-tempered myself, so if I feel it getting personal, I'm also not above responding in kind, lmao.

We as human beings are immensely poorly designed creatures. Someone needs to release a patch. :p

[–] Maiq@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

E pluribus unum!

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

None of us will win this fight alone. The leviathan will drag its carcass onwards as long as we refuse solidarity with each other. Maybe not everyone is an ally - but don’t operate from the presupposition that disagreement is automatic cause for division.

Rules: No tankies

I'm an anarchist, I organize locally. It's a big part of my daily life. based on my experiences I have found way more common cause with so-called 'tankies' than liberals when it comes to actually working to oppose the shit that's crushing us.

that's not to say all liberals or social democrats are enemies. some of them are able to learn, but many of them are not working towards the same things I am.