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Apple is pretty decent actually. If I couldn't use GrapheneOS, I'd go for iOS.
It’s not as bad as Google but still pretty terrible. I too would like to see a comprehensive list on Apple issues.
This is a fair assessment but Apple is getting worse as well.
Apple devices aren't the best but theyre definitely not the worst. If the leaked Cellebrite documentation is to be believed then the newest devices running the latest iOS builds are well protected against hacking tools, second only to GrapheneOS. The iOS permissions system is relatively robust, lockdown mode is a good bit of extra protection too. And iirc full-disk encryption is enabled by default on iOS these days. Advanced Data Protection lets you E2E encrypt (most) cloud storage too. These are all good things
For the most part, you can set up an Apple Account without using genuine information (though the age verification thing might change this, but Google is implementing that too). For both iOS and GrapheneOS you need to either trust Apple or Google with your phone number to set up an account.
I'd be interested to hear people's criticisms so long as they're not just random claims with no elaboration or evidence
GrapheneOS can be used just fine without any Google Services. This is one of the core features.
Google does NOT need your phone number on GrapheneOS. I'm on Graphene and Google doesn't have shit.
I stand corrected, but do you need a Google account at any point for activation etc.? I've had increasing difficulty creating a Google account at all without a phone number
i mean this with sincerity, and not as a means to further the Android vs Apple bullshit. please stop drinking cyanide.
But where is the data? I’m genuinely curious since I want to get my friend off the platform but if there is nothing to show them then I don’t really know if I can (or even should tbh).