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Father and son incinerated after ‘self-driving’ Tesla suddenly slammed into tree (www.independent.co.uk)
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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I feel for the family’s loss: that’s a horrible way to go

…. But the article has a lot of inconsistencies that cast doubt

  • ~~they’re in the uk and most of the article blames self-driving but that is not supported in the uk.~~
  • it gets to the end before switching to talking about autopilot, which is supported in the uk. Autopilot is adaptive cruise control plus lane keeping. I never understood how people seem to think this means self-driving: it is exactly analogous to autopilot in aircraft. Those have a range of functionality but are always under pilot command. I used to fly a small plane with single axis autopilot which basically just kept heading, much less capable than what you’d find on military or commercial aircraft, but there was never any confusion about capability
  • the article blames the emergency door release complexity which is true, but the description of hidden cable release depends on model year and which seat you’re in: they get partial credit for improving this over time. My 2023 model y front seats are very accessible
  • importantly the flush-mount door handles are not an adequate description of the problem. Firstly, the self presenting handles were only on the high end models: these are mechanically presenting so don’t fail that way. The root cause to focus on is the electronic latch. If your only option is an electronic latch and that fails in the crash, it doesn’t really matter what the handle/button is
  • fwiw the entire industry is aware of the possibility of current batteries igniting when sufficiently damaged and, including Tesla, has taken measures to prevent it. But there’s only so much you can do. The question is not whether current battery technology poses that risk: it does. The questions are whether that’s an outsized risk relative to other car technologies and whether Tesla could have done more. There have been several announcements of safer batteries but I don’t think they are available yet.

Edit: UK reporting but the accident was in the US where FSD is supported

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

With names like autopilot and full self driving, there's a reason people are overconfident in the cars abilities.

Any complication in emergency door releases is a critical failure and tremendous design flaw. Emergency features should be incredibly obvious and easy to use, because when you go to use it there's a huge chance you're disoriented or hurt. A system you need to look for as you burn may as well not exist.

The exterior handle design is just awful. There's a reason other countries are making them illegal and it's not because they're a safe choice.

There's a reason Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate in the US despite having some of the best crash test results. You survive the impact to die a slower more painful death.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The fact autopilot is called that in planes but somehow pilots know it doesn't fly the plane for them completely autonomously...

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Pilots are highly trained professionals, Tesla drivers are not.

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 2 points 15 hours ago

The question is not whether current battery technology poses that risk: it does. The questions are whether that’s an outsized risk relative to other car technologies and whether Tesla could have done more.

Googling, there also seem to be a consensus that the fire risk in petrol car is way higher than the risk for battery cars. E.g. from https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

“All the data shows that EVs are just much, much less likely to set on fire than their petrol equivalent,” said Colin Walker, the head of transport at the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit thinktank. “The many, many fires that you have for petrol or diesel cars just aren’t reported.”