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[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also it’s absolutely ridiculous to say that rejecting a claim is the same as making a claim. This doesn’t hold up to even the most basic of philosophical rigor.

You are claiming that rejecting a claim needs no proof to be true. Alright, I'll reject your claim. What now?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Now you’re getting it! This is the part where I get to provide evidence for my claim.

I recommend you start with this summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) Essentially, the concept of “burden of proof” is so universal, it spans Philosophy, Mathematics, Law, and general human discourse.

See also the scientific method which requires that a hypothesis must be falsifiable, otherwise it is useless as a conjecture. Again, this concept is so fundamental it shows up across all disciplines that require rigorous standards of truth.

To go further, any sort of scientific study requires a null hypothesis which is the “default” state for the argument. In the case of this argument, the null hypothesis is “god does not exist”, and the burden of proof lies on the people claiming that there exist one or more gods.

All this together goes to say that it’s fundamentally dishonest to hold religious views to a different standard of evidence than we do everything else. Normally people do because they are ignorant, not because they are hypocrites. But as you learn more about philosophy, logical fallacies and cognitive biases, you start seeing those problems in the arguments pop up everywhere.