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[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People with actually conservative values are closer to us than liberals. NASCAR evolved out of running from the cop, cause fuck 'em. They used to fuck with banks to save people's farms. They used to rail opiates to deal with the downstream effects of capitlaist alienation. Theo is from this actual conservative traditon.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone who has always lived in the US South and very close to the NASCAR industry. I'm going to hard disagree with you about 'conservative values'. I've worked on jobsites owned by NASCAR teams and I can tell you from first hand experience that NASCAR workers do not have particularly good values.

Although, NASCAR history likes to boast that NASCAR originated from outrunning the police with moonshine vehicles, in recent years, NASCAR has been pretty explicitly opposed to police reform movements such as Black Lives Matter. I commonly see NASCAR types using the fascist 'thin blue line' cop flag. Within the past decade, there have been multiple NASCARs painted with memorials to officers who died on duty.

People who come from poor backgrounds may have conservative values but people with conservative values do not have class consciousness. They may hate bankers but not on the grounds of class. Conservatives only hate bankers because of personal grievances or because of a secret third reason. 'Conservative values' means recognizing that societal problems exist and then blaming those problems on the existence of marginalized groups.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I would argue that is neocon behavior.

I think there is a like Country vs Western dynamic where they got hit with a false consciousness psyop same as we did. Just a diffrent psyop.

Howver I would be being needless pedantic in doing so.

Like, rednecks were comrades, cowboys were mostly black or latino, white rascists worked with the black panthers cause fuck the cops.

There is, I think, something here. It probably isn't worth the energy to figure out at the moment so you make a fair critique