The fact is we have no idea about that number, but we do have confirmation that vaping is not safe. You say "obviously" but I know people constantly are claiming vaping is either safe or way safer. It is not safe, and people really need to deal with that. Many people out there vape in such quantities that they may be harming themselves more than if they smoked, based on this "it's way better than cigarettes" idea. It's a false sense of security and we all pay when our friends and family die of lung cancer. We already have the most horrendous healthcare of the free world in America, and this "vaping isn't so bad" thing makes it even worse by putting a strain on it and raising costs. We need to dispense with the idea already.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I understand your fear but it is not logic based reasoning. Of course it's good to be cautious. Vaping is bad.

Many people out there vape in such quantities that they may be harming themselves more than if they smoked, based on this “it’s way better than cigarettes” idea.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

but it is not logic based reasoning.

...but "it's 100x better" is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

Yes and many more will/have have started a bad habit they will never stop based on "it's not even that bad for you". This is a fact. Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it's well known.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

…but “it’s 100x better” is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Yes, but the claim that it's far better for you than inhaling a bonfire is not crazy. Like I said I agree, vaping most likely isn't healthy.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it’s well known.

Is that true?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I was fairly sure I'd seen the overall numbers and that they'd risen but of course now I cannot find that. However I found data that supports my main point there which is that loads of kids are vaping and we have good reason to think they'd have avoided cigarettes if vapes weren't a thing:

From 2011 to 2022, current use of electronic cigarettes:

Increased 667% among middle school students, from 0.6% to 4.6%.

Increased 567% among high school students, from 1.5% to 10.0%. This was a 64% decrease from the peak rate of 27.5% in 2019.

In 2022, more than 825,000 children started using e-cigarettes, or more than 2,200 per day.

Source: https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's on the parents, not a product that can only legally be sold to adults.

Kids will always do shit they're not supposed to. I'd much rather they be vaping than smoking.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I never said we need to ban vaping. I said we need to stop pretending it's harmless. This is exactly what happened with smoking: everyone knew it was bad for them, but people who wanted to believe otherwise minimized the danger of smoking for decades. Let's not make the same mistake again.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

I don't disagree

[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why do you care about strangers who have made a decision to do something to their own bodies?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

American healthcare is in shambles with maximized suffering due to this EXACT sentiment. You may as well have asked why I care about society.

Also why would you assume I don't know anyone who will suffer directly from smoking and vaping? I certainly do. I have a relative who died from a stroke that was almost certainly linked to decades of smoking. I have others who already have had health problems from smoking and switched to vaping. Expecting them to realize that is also hurting their health after it's too late.

You really did not think before you wrote that comment, other than you thought about your right to vape without ever hearing the objective truth about it: that it's unhealthy.

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like it when people preach these conclusions. X is 100x less damaging than y so I will use x 100 more! With cigarettes now you have to go outside smoke a few and go back in. With vapes just suck on. Not to mention the new vaping liquids with the nicotine salts that are so much more addictive than nicotine from a regular cigarette.

There was a brief moment when I thought nicotine will die out but then somehow we now have bubblegum flavoured disposable vaping pens littered all over. At least we got rid of the plastic straws. Fucking twats!

[–] uenticx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So stop using anything made with petroleum products? Don't be a fucking twat. Everyone else is an idiot, and you're not. We get it.

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Never said I wasn't an idiot... What about you?

[–] uenticx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Yes

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Always remember that 87.3% of all statistics online are imaginary

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Whoa there silly, it's 92.5%