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After 6 Years, One of Wayland’s Most Annoying Problems is Finally Getting Fixed (itsfoss.com)

submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@europe.pub to c/linux@programming.dev

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There is a new merge on the Wayland GitLab repo. This new merge (of an old pull request) adds xdg-session-management protocol to Wayland. This is a big development and certainly a feature Linux users will enjoy.

As per the brief message in merge request:

For a variety of cases it's desirable to have a method for negotiating the restoration of previously-used states for a client's windows. This helps for e.g., a compositor/client crashing (definitely not due to bugs) or a backgrounded client deciding to temporarily destroy its surfaces in order to conserve resources.

This protocol adds a method for managing such negotiation and is loosely based on the Enlightenment "session recovery" protocol which has been implemented and functional for roughly two years.

In simpler words, session recovery is finally coming to Wayland.

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[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

With all the crazy stuff going around in the world, "Wayland adds an actually useful feature that is basically core to a system tasked with managing windows" was not in my 2026 Bingo card. Kudos to them for finally doing it I guess.

Maybe by 2038 this thing will finally be usable, just in time to roll over the 32-bit grave.

[–] jpv2390@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious what your use-case is, that prompts you to write that is not usable for you. I have used Wayland on KDE for years without any issues. Even multi monitor setups with weird adapters and HDR seem to just work.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My use case is pretty much having a normal, usable, standard desktop environment where I can do workflows supported by features such as:

using a screen recording program to, ya know, record the screen;
- ...without having to buy more into the so-called portals cartel (that is also adding age verification);
opening programs with their windows being opened in the workspace, screen and at least approximate positioning where I last used then;
- being able to drag-and-drop or relocate windows across screens, workspaces or any such entities;
launch graphical applications as a different user and have them interact natively with the rest of the desktop (eg.: fullscreen correctly);
have a fucking clipboard!;
- with the Linux-classic middle-click alternate clipboard, too.
assign a hotkey or keycombo for an application, that can be fired from anywhere else in the desktop;
being able to manufacture input events for keyboard, mouse, joystick etc... for when there are issues;
being able to launch the window of a program opened remotely;
programs using the graphical theme I've assigned for window decoration, instead of inventing their own titlebars and min/maximize buttons;
being able to drag-and-drop files from one window to another;
and many others.

The last time I tried Wayland was in 2023-ish. The fucking thing could not even finish the startup for a desktop session in my machine. It's honestly the worst vaporware I've ever seen, and I've been around since the '90s. I feel like these things will never ever be truly fixed, because from what I understand of the Wayland model, it is intrinsically about treating the user as an enemy:

"We're treated like hostile threat actors on our own workstations" [1]

[1] https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277

Which is, ultimately, worrying. Things like Pulseaudio, systemd, Wayland, ..., feel like they are making Linux less for the user and more for corporations. It's enshittification, and comes from a culture of enshittification (Potter-ing etc).

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The last time I tried Wayland was in 2023-ish.

A lot has changed in 3 years.

And no clipboard? What? The things in your list that I've actually had to do just work.

[–] owsei@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

I'm using a tiling window manager, so the placement and window decoration stuff I've never tried, but these things worked out without any tinkering for me:

using a screen recording program to, ya know, record the screen;

with wf-recorder or something

launch graphical applications as a different user and have them interact natively with the rest of the desktop

clipboard

assign a hotkey or keycombo for an application, that can be fired from anywhere else in the desktop;

being able to manufacture input events for keyboard, mouse, joystick etc... for when there are issues;

all of these just came in with hyprland and appear to be common case. Hope all your requirements will be met soon!

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

On the contrary, I have a 1440p 120Hz primary monitor and a 4k 60Hz vertical side monitor, and I can only seem to make that setup work with Wayland. I've been using only Wayland this whole time as a result.

As for all your issues with it:

I'm able to record my screen just fine with multiple applications. Are you trying to write your own screen recorder, or use existing ones?
I have not had any issues with fullscreen. If anything, it works better for me than Windows. (I can't compare it to X11 because I can't use X11.)
I don't really understand what you mean by having a clipboard. Do you not have one on Wayland somehow?
Hotkeys seem to work for me, so I'm confused here too.
I'm not too sure what you mean by "manufacture inputs" but my keyboard supports programmable macros and that works for me, though I believe that works by flashing the keyboard instead of through software.
Programs I use often use their own themes regardless of Wayland/X11 so the client-side decorations doesn't matter nearly as much to me. I would like it to be more consistent, but that's on both sides (Wayland+application devs) to figure out.

The rest of these aren't issues I've had to deal with at all, but I can see them coming up. Wayland does have some issues, but nothing I've come across that's major enough to bother me all that much.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been using Linux for 3-4 years now, and in that time I've only ever used Wayland.

I've never had any issues with it.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Congrats for your experience.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks, it feels great.