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So it's pretty definitionally oppression Olympics, but I feel like the slave trade is a decent contender. It lasted centuries, maybe more depending a bunch of history that's still up in the air. The Holocaust only went on for a few years.
I'm not sure Ghana has hands as clean as they're implying, though. The victims of the transatlantic slave trade had to (ahem) leave Africa entirely, and usually it wasn't the Europeans catching and selling them on their own.
It shouldn't be the average taxpayer in these countries who has to pay for reparations (especially when many were descendants of peasants who were also often exploited in other ways), while the wealthy families who benefited the most evade responsibility, smuggling their blood-earned fortunes to tax havens.
It should, because the collective wealth of most of Europe and the United States is built upon slavery.
Any time people profit from infrastructure and education, which isn't available in the previously enslaved countries, they are benefiting from the fruits of slavery to this day.
So nothing would be sent to Rio de Janeiro because the infrastructure there was built through slavery, and the same could be said for Luanda.
I am Portuguese. My grandparents and the majority of the Portuguese population didn't even have basic sanitation or education in the 1970s, despite the fact that our country's elite were among the greatest, if not the biggest, traffickers in the transatlantic slave trade. The electricity grid only reached their neighborhood in the 80s, more than a decade after the Carnation Revolution of April 25, 1974. Perhaps, our family should receive reparations.
The elite should pay, and the exploited working class must not allow itself to be divided due to petty things like their country of origin. Engaging in any other way is simply falling into yet another "trap" of the universal rent-seeking exploiters, the bourgeoisie. In short, "não se confunda a árvore com a floresta".
That is the reason so many countries abstained from the vote.
I'm guessing afraid to contradict the US probably fits in there, too.
No, those countries are satellite states of USA.
No because they would be agreeing to having to pay reparations.
Never going to happen. Who would force them to pay? Who would they pay? Its a conceptual reparation not a practical one.
Well maybe ending neocolonial exploitation for starters?
We don't recognise any non-white responsibility in any form of slavery here
Slavery has existed in many different cultures, and Africa has had slave trade after it was abolished in Europe and North America, but I think it's fair to say that the transatlantic slave trade was the most cruel and inhuman form of slavery. The only form of slavery that may have been worse was the one Leopold II imposed on Congo.
It's racism that made those forms of slavery even worse. I think racism makes everything worse.
I think the biggest contender for worst crime against humanity was the Native American genocide. That was also driven by racism. So was the Holocaust.
I can think of other contenders, actually, but Sparta and Russia are both retconned as white (before the concept existed). Maybe something in east Asia, or the Middle East. Any society with a supermajority of slaves is a good candidate to have some of the same rules in place.
I mean, they also did that in Australia, for example, and there's tons of similar events in prehistory we can see through sudden shifts in genetic makeup.
Genocides aren't rare, and since the Americas were a bit more sparsely populated I'm not even sure that's the biggest one.
I don't see how any of that relates to the white washing of African people's involvement in enslaving and selling other African ethnic groups but go on
I mean, it was hardly the first European genocide.
This is why people don't like the oppression Olympics. It immediately becomes about who you can make lose them.
What was the first? I wouldn't count the Armenian genocide as European.
The very first? Uhh, something in prehistory. Maybe neanderthals did them, maybe they were part of how neanderthals went away. There's a couple genetic near-total replacements in recent British prehistory, for a more concrete example. The mesolithic residents would have been black and blue-eyed.
Rome did a genocide or two, the Byzantines did things to the Bulgars that probably qualify. I'm tempted to say the Mongols, because of the fame, but that's probably not an example. I don't know if they targeted any ethnic group selectively, and even in sources from people who hated them it's pretty clear they were relatively tolerant.
holocaust is not even top 10 in crimes against humanity if we are doing olympics here
holocaust education has rotted everyones brain
If we're doing Olympics probably, yeah. It might be top 20 but there's a whole lot of world and a whole lot of history. The one that happened in Europe is the one European and European-like countries took notice of, though.
It's great that we learn so much about it, and the fact that people just like us did it. Simply burying ugly things is the natural tendency. It's also given us a framework to understand earlier genocides, and genocides in distant modern places, like Israel or Rwanda, as they happen.
Sure, but you should keep in mind holocaust education is to justify existence of israel
And europe's crime against third world were much worse
Yeah but many of the victims of the Holocaust were white. Have you considered that?