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another example from military history with The Battle Of Lake Eyrie
Here is another good example of how a Naval War always involves setting the conditions to build a Navy first. If the British could have sent a random yahoo in to burn the ships being assembled on the Great Lakes the question would not have been how to defend the ships better against people but rather where the failure to properly set the conditions to build a Navy happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Erie
This is the most analagous point for russia here in the Battle Of Lake Erie, they have had their ability to concentrate and deploy Naval power utterly shattered and what remains of their Navy is atomized into protected strongholds unable to manuever.
^ The above step is where russia is stuck. If the US could not protect their shipyards that could release a Naval force onto the Great Lakes, the problem would not have been a lack of protection from human attack by the ships themselves, it would have been in a failure to adequately set the conditions to build a Navy.
To put it another way, my entire point is that russia is admitting they are stuck at this step by putting Cope Cages on their warships while they still awkwardly have left over ships from when they could more credibly claim they posessed a true Navy and so they are still stuck pretending they do.
Another example from WW2 where what became the British Commandos purposefully destroyed the only repair base large enough for the German Terpitz Battleship to be repaired if she was damaged in battle (which is always going to happen eventually) through a small unit incursion/sabotage raid that was unfortunately mostly a one way ticket for many British.
Germany believed they had an Atlantic Surface Navy in WW2 and what Britain did here was point out Germany had not properly set the conditions to build a Navy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid
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The image of the Tirpitz cowering amid towering Fjord walls and a bristle of anti-aircraft gun nests and troop emplacements until her final moment of annihilation is the exact same one as the image posted at the top of this article of russia's warship with a Cope Cage around the wheelhouse, just reflected backwards in time into a different context of fascism.
False, Childish Power...
I just want to say thank you for the thorough and deeply sourced commentary.
Your grasp on the military history involved, the nuanced literal meaning of the requirements to possess the requisite strategic position to fit a literal definition of a navy, and your balanced point of view on the whole swarms topic (I too agree that a human piloted swarm that is effectively controlled is terrifying, and thankfully not yet quite on display for all that the swarm behavior itself is a well established norm in warfare), and really the whole thing was a joy to read and clear to grasp once the time was devoted to digest your comments throughout the thread.
Thank you for helping make the fediverse a worthwhile place to enjoy even just lurking.