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[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (31 children)

I'll have to speak in general terms because I cant know every specific scenario.

What purpose would deportation of a citizen serve? One of the defining things about citizenship is the right to live in the place you have citizenship. Typically countries cannot leave persons stateless so deportation would be pointless, at most they pay for an air fare back, assuming there's somewhere you can deport them to.

You're right, fines should be levied equally if that's the appropriate punishment. Putting someone in jail is expensive, it would seem counter to the point if the punishment for "abusing the system" was to further extract funds from the system to pay for someone's housing and food would it not?

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (27 children)

What purpose would deportation of a citizen serve?

Presumably the same purpose (if any) the deportation of a noncitizen would serve.

One of the defining things about citizenship is the right to live in the place you have citizenship. Typically countries cannot leave persons stateless so deportation would be pointless, at most they pay for an air fare back, assuming there’s somewhere you can deport them to.

You’re right, fines should be levied equally if that’s the appropriate punishment. Putting someone in jail is expensive, it would seem counter to the point if the punishment for “abusing the system” was to further extract funds from the system to pay for someone’s housing and food would it not?

So why not take away those rights of citizens, if deportation is so beneficial?

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

To be fair, prisons in Europe are about rehabilitation and not punishment. Why should Swedish taxpayers pay for the rehabilitation of a non-swede?

[–] guy@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because laws and governance focusing on citizenship, ethnicity etc is wildly against the sentiment of equal treatment and value of humans. It's unlawful as well. We don't want an apartheid system.

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see how my comment could be seen otherwise, but I am only speaking of citizenship.

It’s unlawful as well.

Deportations of Non-Citizen criminals is legal in most countries.

(I'm guessing your apartheid comment was based on the assumption of me meaning ethnicity.)

[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh no, I didn't assume you meant ethnicity, that was just an example and apartheid as well. It's a better example than the US 'equal but separate'. I just answered why Swedes are supposed to pay for non-Swedes.

What I wanted to point out is that those who has residence in the country can't be treated differently before the law. Citizenship or not, the law applies and all it's benefits and consequences.

On another note, the prison sentence is carried out and then the convict is deported, meaning we rehabilitated someone and then got rid of them, not benefiting from the rehabilitated person.

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Oh no, I didn’t assume you meant ethnicity, that was just an example and apartheid as well. It’s a better example than the US ‘equal but separate’. I just answered why Swedes are supposed to pay for non-Swedes.

I'm not quite sure how to connect apartheid to the deportation of non citizens? Apartheid is different treatment based on ethnicity, not citizenship. At least per the definition on wikipedia "a system of institutionalised racial segregation".

What I wanted to point out is that those who has residence in the country can’t be treated differently before the law. Citizenship or not, the law applies and all it’s benefits and consequences.

Are you saying it should be like that or it is? Because as of now, citizens and non-citizens are definitely treated differently.( In Sweden and in most countries) One simple example is the right to Vote. You are only allowed to vote if you are a citizen. (Although some countries allow voting in local elections for non-citizens) But I would even disagree if you meant it should be that way. Staying with the example of voting. I don't believe anyone should be able to move to a country and just be able to vote. That would be a huge vulnerability for democracies.

On another note, the prison sentence is carried out and then the convict is deported, meaning we rehabilitated someone and then got rid of them, not benefiting from the rehabilitated person.

No argument here. That is obviously nonsensical. It should be either right away(After due process) or not at all.

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