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This is a genuine question, because one of the reasons I left Christianity (I was raised Christian) was that I didn’t like how they hate gay people, are pro-life, etc., and overall are pretty hypocritical. But as I got older, I realized there are Catholics who are pro-choice, aren’t homophobic, and don’t have an issue with having sex before marriage, etc., and basically are not stereotypical religious people at all. But I have to ask—how do they justify this? I mean, it must be very confusing, because if the Bible does say being gay is a sin and you are not homophobic and are pro-LGBTQ+, then you are basically saying sinning is okay, which goes against their very religion. How about Catholics who swear? Basically, how do liberal Christians/Catholics justify their religion? Why be religious if you aren’t going to go all in?

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[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Scriptures are literal and symbolic at the same time, considering that it's how it was interpreted historically.

As far as "pro-life" is concerned, the Scriptures' silence on this matter is because, from what I understand, you never sacrificed your children to strange gods. Abortion is, to most (including myself), a form of ritualistic human sacrifice nowadays, which is why most people are pro-life.

The prohibitions against pork and other unclean meats are still in effect to this very day. Only if a commandment required a Levitical priesthood (this was since replaced with Melchizedek) and/or a temple (which won't be built a third time), we don't have to do it anymore. This was since 31 A.D., in fact.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For the unclean foods bit, Jesus may have retconned that with Mark 7:19.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What Messiah Yeshua's talking about isn't meat. Instead, it has to do with eating with those who don't practice what you practice. This comes straight from the NIV disinterpretation (of which is intentional), saying all meats are clean. This isn't true once you look at the Hebraic (notice I didn't say "Jewish") understanding of it.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

When you say intentional, do you mean it's interpreted that way as part of an agenda? Why would someone do this? Other versions of the verse make similar purity claims as well. From the surrounding verses, it sounds to me like Jesus is saying what you eat does not matter in the context of morals/sin rather than it being symbolic of people with different practices.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It was interpreted in such a way to allow anyone to eat meat that isn't food according to Leviticus, and the "Food Chapter" as it's called. It was a way to basically disregard that commandment (one of eighty and three) entirely. And yes, it was intentional.

Also, the Kashrut laws (not Kosher, that's different) are in effect to this very day, hence, the list of meats that are not food.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Question, what are 'unclean meats' in the modern day of cooking?

Yes, I've seen videos of improperly prepared meats, they come in all forms, including Captain Brainworm eating half raw bear meat...

But now in modern times, we know how to fully and properly cook meat to avoid such parasites and other issues. So, what's the issue of updating the rules to reflect modern knowledge and cooking technology?

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These are the meats that aren't considered food in the Scriptures:

Land (Does not chew the cud or fully part the hoof, must have both to be clean):

Armadillo - Badger - Bear - Beaver - Boar - Camel - Cat - Cheetah - Coyote - Dog - Donkey - Elephant - Fox - Gorilla - Groundhog - Hare - Hippopotamus - Horse - Hyena

Jackal - Kangaroo - Leopard - Lion - Llama (alpaca, vicuña) - Mole - Monkey - Mouse - Mule - Muskrat - Onager - Opossum - Panther - Peccary - Pig (hog, bacon, ham, lard, pork) - Porcupine

Rabbit - Raccoon - Rat - Rhinoceros - Skunk - Slug - Snail (escargot) - Squirrel - Tiger - Wallaby - Weasel - Wolf - Wolverine - Worm - Zebra

Birds:

Albatross - Bat - Bittern - Buzzard - Condor - Coot - Cormorant - Crane - Crow - Cuckoo - Eagle - Flamingo - Grebe - Grosbeak - Gull - Hawk - Heron - Kite - Lapwing - Loon - Magpie

Osprey - Ostrich - Owl - Parrot - Pelican - Penguin - Plover - Rail - Raven - Roadrunner- Sandpiper - Seagull - Stork - Swallow - Swift - Vulture - Water Hen - Woodpecker

Insects:

All except some in the locust family

Reptiles and Amphibians:

Alligator - Blindworm - Caiman - Crocodile - Frogs - Lizard - Newts - Salamanders - Snakes - Toads - Turtles

Fish and Marine Animals (No fins or scales, must have both to be clean):

Abalone - Bullhead - Catfish - Clam - Crab - Crayfish - Cuttlefish - Dolphin - Eel - European Turbot - Jellyfish - Limpet - Lobsters - Marlin - Mussels

Octopus - Otter - Oysters - Paddlefish - Porpoise - Prawn - Scallop - Seal - Shark - Shrimp - Squid (calamari) - Stickleback - Sturgeon - Swordfish - Walrus - Whale

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow damn, is there a way to double save a post on Lemmy/Fediverse?

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I need to reformat the list a bit, but I just did a quick search on it, and this was exactly what came up.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

What you've already posted is perfectly cromulent, but if you feel you should reformat and update the list, well if I may ask, please let me know tomorrow. I do actually like to learn..