"No see China isn't actually socialist because... Well it isn't." Don't look at the fact the commanding heights are controlled by the communist party, or the whole process people's democracy, or the poverty alleviation or that 70% of the biggest companies are SOE, or the tigers and flies anti corruption.

Shitlibs prayer

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Essentially, their argument is something like:

China isn't actually socialist because they're doing state capitalism, which is regulated capitalism and more corruption at all levels, but thanks to places like Shenzhen, doing well enough for now to get a technological edge.

Some things to consider:

Marx was actually in favor of socialists doing free trade in order to hasten contradictions, but let's ignore this for the sake of argument and assume this argument's premise is totally correct and actually PRC is not socialist at all.

Ironically, "developed" in the past tense describes the US economy — in some ways, it has stopped developing, and is not growing further now. If capitalism is indeed superior and China is also doing capitalism, then what is stopping the US from using China's own tricks to start developing again?

Is it a strong central government that is isolated enough from public opinion to do what it wants consistently? Not really, public approval of the US government is quite low, and said federal government is quite powerful.
Is it providing funding consistent over a long enough term to actually do things? No, clearly the military can get that kind of funding (and DARPA still exists), and let's not forget US corruption of lobbying, subcontracting, wasteful spending of funds, etc.
Is it having engineers as leadership to build things rather than lawyers as leadership to block them with procedure? That might help, and if anything, you might even claim checks and balances in the courts would stop the US more from interpretations of "following the science" to unethical extremes in both directions than China's less powerful court system. If this advantages the US and can actually be solved by voting and laws, then why not do it already?
Is it going after billionaires when they pose a threat? That might help, but if there is so much corruption of visibility projects and weaponizing companies for social control, then if anything, China should be going after more people, right? So, surely this also isn't why you're objecting.
Does the US not view China as a threat after the China shock came and went around 2010? This is laughably absurd as Trump's trade wars can tell you.

Why isn't the US leading by example and taking measures to develop on its own instead of weakly trying to simply stop China?

[–] fox@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah they don't know any of that, they think Xi Jinping is the sole and absolute wielder of all power in China which he uses to brutally oppress his people and worse, American corporations