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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

equating industrialization with techological process is pretty fuckin eurocentric of you.

[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't it, though? Would any of the technological - and often scientific - breakthroughs of the 20th and 21st centuries have been possible without industrialisation?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

since a counterfactual can't be proven, we will probably never know

[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, but we can say with confidence that they all did require prior industrialisation in the way they panned out, and also, have never happened in any preindustrial society. That's at least a solid hint.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

can say with confidence that they all did require prior industrialisation in the way they panned out

we can only say that they happened after, not that industrialization was necessary

[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In every single case, with no counterexamples.

How would you bet $100 on this?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

First non industrialised society to send a person into orbit themselves, and fetch them back alive?