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[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Hmmm tough call, can I root for Ukraine and Iran at the same time?

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 14 points 20 hours ago

This is not a sports game. Iran's drones, missiles, and shells have killed thousands of innocent people in Ukraine.

~~Root for everyone to have fun instead!~~
Root for loads of damage to any horrible regime of your choosing and it's people instead!

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I generally root for the people.

[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Theyre the ones that usually get the shaft...

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Do not try to determine which countries are good, that is impossible.

Instead, try to realize the truth:

There are no good countries.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

The state is the enemy

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 5 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Why would you even root for Iran? While they're a victim of US/Israel aggression, the government is still horrible. Remember the deadly protest just before the war begin? Remember few years ago they also beat a woman to death for protesting against mandatory headscarf?

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Is this the way we talk about world politics now? The government is bad, so we can look over the heinous act of violating their sovereignty?

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

No? And you think rooting for someone is a good way to talk about world politic? Instead of condemn the attack and hold the opinion that the attack are bad, while also hold the opinion a country being attacked is also horrible, we gonna just go A or B with zero nuanced take? Is that really what you want to do?

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You were the one asking why root for Iran. You didn't ask why root for Ukraine, or any other western country. Why? Only Western governments are allowed to be bad?

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Did you missed the part where i say "Iran are a victim of US/Israel aggression" or are you purposefully ignore that part so your opinions of me won't fall apart? Do we have to list everything on the table before we start talking? Because i haven't seen yours, i can just say you support epstein, right?

Ohh and Ukraine did the right thing, Russia are the bad guy, deal with it.

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Ukraine did the right thing, Russia are the bad guy, deal with it.

How surprising that you are able to root for one side in this case.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Because the US and Israel already picked their next target, and if they aren't stopped they will go for it again and again? Because the civilians are there, dying?

It sucks that the Iranian government is a piece of shit. That's not reason to root for them to be destroyed.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You really bought all the atrocity propaganda.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Of which side? Please be specific, i don't like playing guessing game.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

From the side executing soccer moms in their car.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And which side is that lmao, israel? Iran? Saudi arabia? Dubai? Cmon, give me a name, and perhaps afterward go touch some grass? It's healthier.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago
[–] voaw@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

It doesn’t really make sense to root for both because you’d be rooting for both sides against each other. One is a puppet of the US/Western neoliberal axis of evil that is run by a right-wing dictatorship that incorporated literal Nazis into its military and government (Ukraine). The other is a strong ally of peoples’ liberation movements in the Middle East (like those fighting against the demonic Israeli Zionist entity in Gaza and Lebanon) and is standing up to the evils of the most destructive powers on this planet—the US and Israel (Iran).

Western media propaganda villainizes Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Hezbollah, and Hamas but these are the states and groups that are standing strong against US empire, the most powerful and evil force in the world. If you’re wondering why Russia is helping Iran, it’s because they have been allies for a long time against the onslaught of Western hegemony, resource theft, and regime change. If you’re wondering why Ukraine is helping the US & Israel, it’s because they are a puppet of US empire (and want to curry favor with the US).

If you didn’t know (which most don’t because Western corporate media ran a huge propaganda campaign around Ukraine), Biden instigated the NATO-Russia proxy war in Ukraine (by funding/arming the out and proud Nazis running Ukraine since 2014 & installing NATO missiles on the borders of Russia) to enrich US & European billionaires despite warnings and pressure from the international community that doing so would lead to war, while Ukraine ethnically cleansed ethnic Russians in the Donbas region, leading to the hostilities that broke out in 2022.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Russia the country that meddles in other countries elections, referandums and tries to push countries to right wing extremism and isolationism? Of course to you these are all western media lies but for some reason these groups generally display pro Russian sentiments. Must be all coincidence. Putin is fucking up the world as much as Trump and Netanyahu is. They all deserve to rot in a cesspit. Don't forget, billionaires and oligarchs are not friends, they are food.

[–] voaw@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You say this as Trump and Netanyahu literally just unleashed WWIII and thousands of innocent civilians are being slaughtered. But I guess if they’re brown and Muslim you don’t care. Did everyone forget that the Mueller Report came back with no evidence of any of the Russiagate claims neoliberal billionaire-owned media were squawking about? It’s the same crap they’re doing now—trying to pin Epstein on Russia. The evidence is clear—Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad agents and the whole Epstein situation was an Israeli honeypot scheme that Israel could use to blackmail US politicians to do their bidding, like, hmmm I don’t know, start a disastrous war with Iran!!!

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Wait this Muller?

"In his opening statement, Mueller identified the major finding of his report, “the Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.” He concluded by noting, “over the course of my career, I’ve seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. As I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American...Perhaps the high point of his testimony saw Mueller expressing his fears that electoral interference was becoming the “new normal” and that “[the Russians] expect to [interfere] during the next campaign.” As if to illustrate his point, yesterday the Senate blocked two bills designed to increase election security and to require reporting of influence attempts by foreign governments during electoral campaigns."

Mueller's testimony

or this Russia?

Far right groups 'using Russian invasion of Ukraine to push anti-West narratives'

I am not pitting Trump against Putin, they are all inhumane enough to deserve rotting in a cesspit. If you think one deserves to have an armchair because he is not as bad as the rest, that is fine by me.

But I guess if they’re brown and Muslim you don’t care

I like how you are fine with making disgusting assumptions about someone you have had exchanged a single message with. If you had as much as gone back and read a couple of my posts about the genocide in Gaza you would laugh at your own post lol.

[–] voaw@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

The Mueller report found no conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, the idea known as “Russiagate”, which was the main bogeyman according to Western media at the time and while the report claimed that Russia interfered in the election on their own, the report’s conclusions were based on shaky evidence.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

And yes I made an assumption that you didn’t care about Palestinians. I was wrong. I’m so sick of seeing liberals treat Russia as the ultimate evil when really it’s Israel and the US that are the most overwhelmingly destructive and oppressive forces on this planet, and I’m used to them not caring much for Palestinians (or saying they care but still materially and politically support the Zionist, genocide-funding Democratic Party) while being rabid supporters of Ukrainians (which a percentage of literally worship a historic Ukrainian Nazi, Stepan Bandera).

However, while far right groups may have been involved in “using the Russian invasion of Ukraine to push anti-West narratives”, which what the hell does that even mean/who cares, that does not change the fact that Ukraine itself, after the neonazi far right in Ukraine co-opted the 2014 Maidan riots, became largely governed by a neonazi (see the Azov regiment and Stepan Bandera devotees) tolerating, neoliberal billionaire funded government that Trump & Biden armed (despite a previous US law banning arming Ukraine because of the strong neonazi element in the government and military). That, plus Biden tearing up previous agreements with Russia and bringing NATO to Russia’s doorstep despite foreign policy experts and the international community warning that doing so would likely lead to retaliatory attacks from Russia.

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/nato-chief-admits-expansion-behind-russian-invasion

https://jacobin.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato

https://theintercept.com/2024/06/22/ukraine-azov-battalion-us-training-ban/

It is the left and socialists/communists and even some libertarians that have been ringing the alarm bells about the Nazi-loving right-wing dictatorship running Ukraine (who have murdered ethnic Russians and left-leaning political dissidents since 2014 and have cancelled elections and kidnapped men across Ukraine for forced conscription) for years while Western media paints Zelenskyy as some sort of hero just because he’s fighting Putin. Putin and Zelenskyy are evil in their own ways, but none are as evil or have as much blood on their hands as the US empire and their attack dog, Israel.

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12

https://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret/

https://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html