this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2026
203 points (100.0% liked)

Political Memes

11386 readers
2878 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

1) Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

2) No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

3) Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

4) No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

5) No AI generated content.Content posted must not be created by AI with the intent to mimic the style of existing images

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Of course citing article 51 is an un-serious legal justification for invading Ukraine. Just as it was when cited for the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq.

Ukraine isn't a puppet, they aren't being forced. That's your framing of what you claim is my position, not what I've ever said. They're doing the rational thing, given the circumstances. But the US is not supporting them out of some principled stance against invading sovereign countries. Multiple people across both the Biden and Trump governments have said, our goal in the region is to exhaust Russian military capacity.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Of course citing article 51 is an un-serious legal justification for invading Ukraine. Just as it was when cited for the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq.

You do fucking realize that most wars have Article 51 cited, precisely because the key component of Article 51 is that conflicts must be reported to the UN with cause, right? You realize there are an average of two citations of Article 51 a year since the 1950s, right?

Of course not. The USA invented citing Article 51 as a magic casus belli button. How could I have been so foolish as to not have seen it.

Ukraine isn’t a puppet, they aren’t being forced. That’s your framing of what you claim is my position, not what I’ve ever said.

This you, buddy?

image

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

literally right after that:

You’re the one saying “puppeteer”. Why frame it as either 0% agency or 100%? Clearly there are degrees here. Ukraine is its own actor and the US and it allies are more interested in using their leverage to push against Russia rather than for Ukraine. They can both be true.

Again, look at Afghanistan in the eighties. It too was its own polity. At the same time, US support and arms clearly had a substantial role in how events transpired, with consequences felt far more heavily by the civilians it was supposedly in aid of.

you really like cherry picking, don't you?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You’re the one saying “puppeteer”.

"I didn't SAY puppeteer, I just said that I saw Ukraine as lacking agency beyond that which is decided for them by The West 🥺"

I never know if people like you actually believe what you're saying, or if you know it's bullshit but can't resist any angle to simp for genocide.

Why frame it as either 0% agency or 100%?

"Well, maybe the Ukrainians don't want to be genocided a little bit" isn't really much of a rebuttal to the idea of you being a bootlicker who regurgitates imperialist propaganda.

Again, look at Afghanistan in the eighties. It too was its own polity. At the same time, US support and arms clearly had a substantial role in how events transpired, with consequences felt far more heavily by the civilians it was supposedly in aid of.

"Afghanistan deserved genocide by Russian arms too" isn't much of a fucking rebuttal either, bootlicker.