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Women are being abandoned by their partners on hiking trails. What’s behind ‘alpine divorce’?
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Mar 2026
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You're ignoring that we can see what the majority of men are upvoting and contributing to on Lemmy.
If even Cesar Chavez is still a man who will take from women what he wants, then why would women see a man who is a leftist as better than others?
I'm not ignoring that, and women should not see a leftist man as significantly less potentially dangerous than any other. I'm saying that regardless of what percentage of people in an identity group have a certain quality, it is wrong to make an unqualified statement about that group, or to assume an individual within that group must have similar qualities to the average member of it. That is the very basis of why racism, sexism, anti-lgbt sentiment, even microaggressions, etc. are wrong, but it applies to men too.
They made a generalized comment about the men on Lemmy, not men in general.
That's true, it's kind of a grey area. I could see it being argued either way whether it's an identity group given it's defined by both identity and choice. I guess it's not? I still think it would be better not to make a generalization like that, given you will be ascribing negative qualities to people who fo not deserve it.
If I said that the women who participate in the 4B movement by and large hate men, that is an accurate generalization.
If the men on Lemmy don't want to be seen as misogynists, then they should put in the work to comment opposite of those views and they should hold people espousing those views as accountable as they do women who are rightfully upset at being blamed for all of men's wrong-doings.
Fair enough. I think that does happen, it's just that that doesn't eliminate the people who are making sexist comments. I do think there's a difference between someone who's a part of an ideological movement (their chosen group clearly expresses their views) and someone who is just using a particular website for various reasons (their choice to use that website does not imply general agreement with the website's views) but I see your point.
People who make sexist comments will never be reduced to zero, but it would sure be awesome to not see those comments with dozens of upvotes.
It's the support those comments receive that lead me to believe the men on Lemmy are overwhelmingly misogynists.
Yes, those comments get too much support here. There is resistance, but not enough. Maybe I will spend a bit more effort doing that instead of arguing with people who I largely agree with. I will never entirely stop doing the latter (I believe to reach the truth I must vocally disagree with the flaws of arguments even if I agree with the premise or conclusion) but I could shift my priorities towards fighting the most egregious views first/harder.
I don't think I have much more to say here but I do appreciate this conversation. It started a bit rough but I always appreciate when someone is willing to stick it out and really discuss something.
Honestly I ended up enjoying our back and forth so thank you for the conversation. Apologies that I was initially a tad hostile - this particular comment thread has been nasty.