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Crimean Tatars being herded onto trains for deportation by the Stalinist regime, where 22-40% would die after 5 years of forced labor and resettlement, 1944 (lemmy.world)

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

No, I mean, I think they're talking about narratives in the abstract. There was a great deal of debate about this in the early 90s, over the role of historians in creating narratives.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

To an extent, yes, but at the same time, I find that a lot of people who started these debates did so out of what I can only describe as an attempt to reconcile their beliefs about the east block and the stories coming out of the region as the soviets started losing control. and in doing so ended up arguing for the same conspiratorial world view that the holocaust deniers employ, in part because these arguments came about in collaboration with holocaust deniers. caugh caugh Chomsky

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe in the sense of broader political discussions, but the shift in historical academia towards the importance of narratives and not just facts was very much a reaction to the triumphalist 'end of history' mindset of the early 90s. I would also like to note that Chomsky is a linguist, and very much not a historian or anyone with influence on historical academia. despite his... prominent and questionable political following.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

it's not even the shift towards narratives that is the issue with the reasoning of the guy I was responding to, but instead the conspiratorial framing