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So you blame the developer and not the pirates for this?
This is the equivalent of trumpers crying about “illegal” immigrants and not the people that hire them.
Go ahead and boycott the game over this. I’m sure the amount of money they’re making from all the would-be pirates now having to actually pay for a change will more than make up for it.
The pirates didn't add a piece of software that doesn't help sales, slows down computers, and eventually breaks the game. They remove it.
In a world were plenty of games without denuvo are doing just fine? Fuck yeah I blame the publisher/dev.
Go back to the Steam forums where you belong, bootlicker.
Person disagrees with your opinion:
You: “bOoTliCkEr!”
Except when people provide you with evidence and reasoning you just go "lmao" and leave it at that too.
I laugh at shit I find funny. If that makes someone a bootlicker, I hope for your sake that you have no sense of humor whatsoever.
Sure, just don't pretend you're engaging in logical discussion.
It’s completely logical to me. A thing can be two things. Maybe look up something called “nuance”.
Laughing about people crying because of an anti-piracy feature instead of being pissed at the pirates- then going so far as to say “well, they weren’t going to buy anyway!” as an argument against using it is fucking hilarious to me.
This doesn’t mean I have nothing to say about it. Nor does it make my stance in bad faith. I just think your argument is ridiculous, and therefore I laughed at it.
Logic is objective, so saying it's logical "to you" is illogical.
A sense of humour is irrelevant to a discussion from a logical standpoint. Furthermore, we literally have data and studies that show that piracy doesn't hurt the sales of games— when provided with this evidence in the comments, you just "laughed" at it.
You ask for reasoning/evidence, and when provided, just laugh at it. Laughter doesn't dismiss evidence.
I laughed at the argument that piracy doesn’t hurt the sales of games- THEREFORE it should be allowed.
It’s not about hurting the sales of the games. They weren’t going to buy it anyway. But for those that PAY for it. It’s a slap in the face. I should get to play it for free too, right?
Where do you draw the line?
All game should be free! Developers don’t need paychecks! It’s a service to the people!
LMAO!
And read THIS
It doesn't hurt the sales of the games, that's an unscientific assertion you are asserting that directly contradicts research.
If you want to play it for free, nobody's stopping you from pirating it too. It seems like resentment here rather than logical rigour in your argument. It's not a slap in the face for gamers who want to support the developers. If you don't, there's no reason why you should be obligated to purchase the game.
Games are made and developed for-profit, they only continue production if they are profitable. They've remained profitable despite piracy forever.
This has nothing to do with the argument that all games should be free or that developers don't need paychecks. It's an entirely different set of claims which nobody is making here.
Bullshit
Let's look at one study and ignore the consensus of studies, right?
The only people complaining about this are people who would have pirated it but now can’t.
Lots of people who don't pirate refuse to buy games with Denuvo, whether on principal, because it affects performance, or both.
The consensus isn't a dislike of DRM in general but a special hatred of Denuvo. Denuvo is especially bad because of how much a performance hog it is. The idea that it's protection will be circumvented eventually but the people who bought copies will have worse performance is the frustrating part. Additionally, Linux users who change their proton version can be slapped with lock outs(usually temp) on games they purchased with no recourse.
Show me the data that proves piracy actually causes a tangible loss for the developer for DRM to actually be needed.
(hint: it doesn't exist. It instead shows most pirates weren't going to buy the thing anyway, so they don't make any more money by adding garbage like Denuvo)
Lmao…. Show you the data that would otherwise be impossible to show you?
There is no tangible way to prove who would or wouldn’t buy a thing if the parameters were different other than polling them.
And how exactly do you think polling dishonest people will turn out?
Why is pirating inherently dishonest in your opinion?
That question is too stupid to bother answering.
Shame. It's a more nuanced discussion than you seem to believe.
But Rhoeri said they always use nuance in discussions, they couldn't be defending companies that don't care about them.
You think game developers don’t deserve to be paid for their work.
There is no nuance in this argument, therefore there’s no merit in debating it.
I literally do not think that though. This is that nuance I was talking about that you're afraid to engage with. Not everybody pirates games and then never buys them.
I'm very tight on money and cannot buy every game I'm interested in. So I pirate games and treat them as demos. If I dislike the game, I stop playing it, and no harm is done since I would have either never bought it or refunded it regardless. If I like the game, I'll buy it at the first opportunity.
Esoteric Ebb is the most recent example of that, I played it for a few hours and it immediately jumped to the #2 spot on my wishlist. I haven't bought it yet, but I plan to soon. It's also recently happened with Schedule I, and this one I actually got. Me pirating the game has literally earned them a sale they otherwise would not have gotten.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/
LMAO….
What an argument to credible sources disproving you wrong. Trump supporter logic.
My first Final Fantasy game was a rom a friend all but insisted I play. Before that the idea of random encounters and turned-based combat were a huge turnoff to me, and I had no interest in buying it. Since then I’ve purchased a copy of nearly every game in the series, some more than once for different platforms. Same story for the Trails games and some others.
That’s a lot of money those companies would never had received if it weren’t for just a little bit of piracy to make a fan out of someone.
Typically the people I know who pirate because they want to play without paying are doing so because they don’t have the money. As mentioned countless times before, they would not have bought the game otherwise because they probably couldn’t afford it in the first place. Denuvo may (or may not, I don’t actually know) block pirates, but it doesn’t ensure the publisher is making any more money. It does however ensure that regular paying folks get a worse product. I think people have the right to be upset about that. They could just use a different DRM.
The developers have a lot of choices in their approach to piracy and they chose a company that makes performance killing restraints that runs concurrent to the software causing poor performance. The game could be fun and run well but it is saddled by the poor business choices of the developer.
Denuvo adds an obscene amount of checks to the executable, which manifests as an increased CPU load (compare Assassin's Creed Origins with and without it) and poorer performance. It also restricts the game's availability to legitimate paying customers if there's any issue with the "is this a new installation" detector.
Would-be pirates were never going to pay for it.
No loss.
You... either completely missed or completely ignored the point. The point being that, in order to attack the pirates who wouldn't have bought the game anyway, regular paying users are getting screwed over by a significant performance hit.
Again, ten years ago this would be a true statement. Today, your system must be pretty shitty to be hit with performance issues.
The only people complaining about this are people who would have pirated it but now can’t.
Denvuo can cause issues for Linux users trying to switch proton versions. Denuvo is also terrible for game preservation. It's not just pirates that are affected negatively.
The only people complaining about this are people who would have pirated it but now can’t.
Yes I do because they actively chose to make their game shittier for people who purchase legitimate copies. You think pirates are going to pay for this shit? They were never going to pay to begin with, what makes you think they're going to pay for it now?
They’re not. And now they don’t get to play it for free either.
Win-win.
Way to contradict yourself in literally the next comment. Clearly you are a shill and not a serious person.
Pirates weren’t going to buy anyway, so therefore just let them pirate the game.
Thats your argument?
So that’s a slap in the face of paying customers. Why not just make the game fee for everyone then? If stupid “what if’s” are allowed.
I’m not contradicting shit. You’re crying about a protection the developer put in place to stop people from PLAYING THE GAME FOR FREE. And not crying about the people that caused them to have to do it.
Fucking laughable.
Stop sabotaging games for paying customers is the argument. It's not complicated. You are obviously more interested in trying to stick it to pirates than getting an optimal experience for your money. Pirates will still play it for free in the end anyway.
Pirates didn't "cause" anyone to do anything. The developers did it themselves after buying into Denuvo's scam. Thousands and thousands of dollars paid every month to make up for the unknowable number of "lost sales". I guess there's one thing Denuvo does well.
Also, you did contradict yourself. Will the pirates buy the game or will they not? Make your mind up.
For denuvo to adversely effect your gameplay, you need to be running some seriously outdated hardware. It sucked the life out of AC Origins, sure…. Almost ten years ago….
It’s basically a non-issue now.
The only people crying about it now are would-be pirates that never planned to buy it in the first place. They are people pretending to be on a crusade against the «evil» Denuvo but in reality just angry they now can’t easily pirate the game anymore.
So Denuvo "basically" doesn't cause any performance issues, and if it does, its the users fault for having lower end hardware? That's just ridiculous.
Calling all critics of Denuvo pirates is nonsense. Not all people who buy games are okay with mandatory online checks, performance hits, and curtailing of mod support.
Speaking of things that Trumpers do... Falsely accuse all opponents of being domestic terrorists or radical leftists and refuse to accept that they might be wrong.
Lmao.
Who exactly "wins" anything here?
The dev pays for denuvo licenses an doesn't gain enough sales to make up for it - lose.
The pirate waits longer to play the game - lose.
The paying customer gets an inferior product - lose.
Again, ten years ago there was a performance hit. Now, it’s not even noticeable unless you have severely outdated hardware.
The only people whining about this are people that would have pirated the game. Tough shit.
The people who worked their asses off to make a good game deserve to be paid for it. That’s who wins.
I wouldn’t expect anyone here to give a shit about that though. Enjoy your little memes.
Which programmer, game designer, graphics designer, voice actor, musician or what have you is paid how much more because they added denuvo? After the fact, mind you, so all the contracts and wages were agreed long ago.