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Burying corporate head in sand doesn’t take Chinese EVs away. Honda and Toyota really haven’t put the energy into a post fossil product and it shows.
How can they pivot away from something they were barely doing? 18 months ago we went to our local Honda dealer, and the salesman spent the whole time telling us why the sole EV they had on the lot was a pile of crap and a waste of money. We'd made it clear that we were only interested in BEV due to the tax advantages and he just bad-mouthed the only option he had for making a sale.
Exactly right! Toyota much the same, entirely reliant on hybrid. Salespeople even discouraging PHEV.
Unfortunately Honda, by design, has no control over your local Honda dealer or their representatives.
It's funny with the hate against VW for not transitioning fast enough, I've seen so many times here on lemmy.
When the worlds biggest manufacturer Toyota is about 5 years behind VW.
All the Japanese manufacturers have really dropped the ball on EV. AFAIK Honda only has a single BEV model available in EU, and the range isn't very good.
While VW group has more than 10 models. Even Stelantis is doing better in this segment than any Japanese manufacturer.
VW had Dieselgate really push them, but yeah, only Nissan has made an attempt in Japan.
I don’t read about how KIA and Hyundai are losing billions on their EV projects. They put effort in.
Goddam people keep on with that dieselgate story as if it were only VW.
VW was just unlucky to be the first that were caught cheating on it. Every other diesel manufacturer did it too.
Toyota had to pay a $1.6 billion fine for the exact same thing, but nobody EVER complains about them?!
VW weren't even the worst!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
As you can see in the chart, VW were actually among the least "offensive" models. With Chrysler and Hyundai having cars that were 3 times worse! Honda, Toyota, Ford and many others were way worse than VW.
The real problem was that the NOX emission level was set so low that nobody could make an engine that complied, effectively making diesel cars illegal.
They were the most successful in terms of vehicles sold But wasn’t it Bosch who actually built the bypass? It’s been a few years.
What I meant was that as far as I know, part of the restitution was to build EV charging and it all compounded to make a ton of business sense to pivot hard to electrification. Compare to Mercedes and BMW who are struggling a bit.
IDK if it was Bosch, if so they were obvioiusly complicit.
But more than 17 brands did it, IDK if you saw my edit that includes a wiki page on the issue. Otherwise I think you should have a look.
Yes this is true, it was an agreement with the German government. Which has led to VW being the absolute leader in sales of BEV cars in EU today. Which also makes it insane when people complain that VW didn't start soon enough, when they were way ahead of the competition already 5 years ago.
Today there are other good options from all over the world, Obviously BMW and Mercedes, but also Renault, Hyundai, Volvo (Geely), Ford. Even Stelantis has models that aren't absolute crap now (here in Europe). And Toyota came with their first BEV last year, and that is AFAIK also pretty decent. But not VW group level IMO. From VW group we also have Skoda, Audi, Cupra and Porsche.
With the VW native brand being the most popular BEV brand here in Denmark.
Renault have created an absolute gem with the new 5, looks good, drives good, reasonably cheap (relatively speaking) even has a good hot hatch option with the Alpine version.
I read an interesting article that quoted the designer on the new 5, basically electric vehicles open up a lot of possibilities when it comes to design as well which were taken away due to safety requirements on the cars, hopefully gonna get a lot more fun electrics.
Yes the sequence I mentioned those other brands is not accidental, with Renault right after BMW and Mercedes. Obviously the Renault 5 is a way cheaper car, but it's really been praised by reviewers here too, and called the most charming car available for years. For some reason though thew popularity of the Renault 5 has dropped, and for Renault the Scenic is now the most popular model here.
The current top seller here is the Skoda Elroq. While the top selling brand is VW. with the ID.4 being the #2 best selling model.
Page in Danish, but these are the most significant numbers from Denmark:
The charts should work independent of language.
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2026-01-03-her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler
Just found a newer stat, and Renault 5 sales are just fine, so IDK what the previous article was on about? Renault 5 is the 9th most sold model car in January this year.
https://www.bilstatistik.dk/nyheder/det-nordiske-bilsalg-januar-2026/
Renault has passed all Stelantis brands, and the Fiat 500 was quite popular too, but for some reason not even available anymore?
https://automobiles.honda.com/cr-v-fcev https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
It always comes back to the Hydrogen shit they can't seem to drop despite it never taking off after decades.