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As usual I'd love for the down voters to comment instead of being cowards.
I'll bite.
China is not communist. But we should talk about different economic systems because that's the ultimate goal.
Communism in itself is a true ideal as long as output exceeds intake and satisfaction is high. It's also possible on a global scale, if not designed for it.
Capitalism is also a true ideal as long as it's built on an immovable foundation of human rights paid for by centralized non profit corporations.
The issue has nothing to do with the ideas themselves. The issue is and always has been the concentration of power.
It is the ideas of the few which can never properly represent the masses. Even with the best intentions. The only true ideal for power is that there is none except when handled by all. The US Constitution seemed to have this idea in mind with its intent, though it's evolved into the same old concentration of power over time. Doesn't matter which party either. The reality is power is so concentrated now that there are no true parties anymore. This is a mafia that transcends both sides.
So no China is no proof of anything except improper concentration of power. Mostly capitalist by the way. And totally tyrannical in their wielding of power against free thought, sex, religion, etc. It's practically anti freedom and contradicts every protected class we have in the US.
Does anyone have the statistics on how many abortion occur there? Even if you're pro choice, the piles of discarded fetuses could reach skyscraper height. This is not a normal issue to have. How many illiterate? How many old people died while they were bolted inside their homes during COVID?
If the question is what system would you be willing to put your life in the hands of, there is only one answer: which one has the most distributed power and wealth above the rest.
Ya covid was barely worse than regular flu viruses when you compare the death ratios. And I'm progressive by the way. I got the shots and locked down then saw that all the smart money was in healthcare, the vaccine manufacturers and insurance.
If the west cared about their economies then why did they require vaccine cards to enter grocery stores or the work place in their most populous areas?
I truly don't understand where you get these ideas or care which country is better. Both suck. The people of this world deserve better than either has to offer. That is the conversation I'm trying to have.
It is hard to avoid the temptation of insulting you for this abysmally dogshit take.
Idk how privliged you are. I've had multiple family members die to covid. Worldwide, the number of deaths confirmed from covid was over 5 million, but estimated excess mortality was in the 15 million range.
You get all pissy about "10 million aborted fetuses" (as if fetuses have a conscious life for me to take", but 25 million actual dead is nothing for you. On brand for a capitalist!
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
The first sign of self consciousness is throwing insults.
Out of respect for yours and my family members who passed from COVID, I will say I think it's stupid anyone dies from the flu regardless of which one it is.
Lastly, when you look at deaths per cases, you'll see I'm correct. The uniqueness of COVID was not its mortality like the drug manufacturers wanted you to think. "The vaccine stops the spread." Remember that? How many people died from the vaccine after being coerced into taking it? Do those people matter to you?
Masks were the real solution. China already had a culture of mask wearing while sick. I myself an immunocompromised. I was so angry at people who didn't wear masks and still get highly perturbed when people appear in public places without them while coughing or sneezing their personal fluids everywhere. It's disgusting.
But after all my thrashing about, I came to a very simple conclusion about life and people. You can't force people to do anything. You can't tell them what to do and expect them to listen. Creating a forceful or even violent consequence for this situation isn't "correct." It's just more bad on top of bad.
The truth is education is the answer to most problems. Better education reduces racism, violence, drug use, susceptibility to propaganda, increases financial decision making, emotional control, overall happiness and should absolutely give people the perspective that they should not do onto others that they would not have done upon themselves with higher standards than "derr my southern attitude is that I don't care about me own health so I'm fine coughing on you." What a load of shit. Some Americans set a truly low bar in that regard.
But, I have evolved from the previous mindset you seem particularly situated on. Believe me my worst fear is that this was part of their intention. Real deaths creating permanent divide between the red and blue. Right where they want us, right? Fighting each other instead of them. Isn't this all simply a class war? At least in America it is.
None. Since when the fuck do mRNA vaccines kill people? Hell even older vaccines have negligible mortality.
You can. What do you think the legal system is?
Red and blue? Brother, I'm not American nor have I ever even been to America. I don't subscribe to either side of your political aile.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html
The legal system creates a system of punishment. Do you think this works in forcing people to do whatever? If it did, people wouldn't be in prison, right?
So what? We're talking about the US handled COVID. Keep up. Your personal background doesn't belong in this conversation.
Point 1
Direct quote from your source. All it says is that in some people it can cause a little heart tissue damage.
Point 2:
If you wish to abolish the prison system then I am OK with that. If you ain't wishing to do that I'm not even sure what your position is and I doubt it would be coherent in any way.
Point 3:
Blud ... you brought up "red and blue"
1 in 32000 is very close to the ratio of deaths from COVID itself. And they recommended 3 shots minimum with continuous maintenance doses!!
Myocarditis from the mrna vaccine has killed several people which is the point I was making.
I got three shots myself and they didn't work (according to the same doctors who administered them). Imagine my resentment in not being able to grocery shop without my vaccine card which only increased my heart disease risk without any of the benefit. I had to go back and get antibodies directly injected at a later date. Then still got a fever of 104 for 36 hours. It's sort of hard to believe all the bullshit from my perspective. I still think masks are the way to go.
Covid had a much higher lethality than 1 in 320000 and the 1 in 320000 having myocarditis does not mean the condition killed them, though some of them were killed (a fraction of that already small number).
You keep citing these completely anecdotal testimonies, but the subject has been extensively studied and yes they did work, especially lowering the lethality rate. If you were vaxxed when you had that high fever, there is a much higher chance you would have been killed by it were you not vaxxed (though I can't claim to know the outcome, of course).
You're a right wing weirdo.
I'm not. I'm progressive. Like Bernie Sanders progressive. But your name calling makes you something alright.
This one of the markers I would use for a "good" system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index
The Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index.
Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland... these are the leaders in this index. How? A high-welfare free market economy.
This is capitalism but with a foundation of human rights built on high taxes using examples like net wealth tax.
Right.
Search for how many land/companies they own in South America/Africa, were the Amazonian wood go, the minerals extract from South America and the gems from Africa, who owns the vast majority of Brazilian coffee
This is imperialism with nice things for white people.
So, I looked it up. You're right. NATO countries are pillaging Africa in a way I never knew about. The index score is a good thing still, I think. But the source of that score should be considered.
Does anywhere exist with a high score that is ethically sourced?
I know China does the same thing in Africa. So they're out...
Regarding that comment about white people. The US is far more diverse than any super power. The only close comparison is Canada which is more diverse, but not a real super power.
The combined population of NATO is nearing 1 billion and it's much more diverse than China or Russia or any other "communist" or "socialist" state.
Anyways, I'm not saying NATO is good thing or bad thing. I don't truly know. But I know the US style of capitalism appears to bleed into NATO is shit. And China's "socialism" is shit too.
Russia is fully thirty-five fucking years into its life as a neoliberal hellhole.
Decolonization, which began after WWI, was replaced by neocolonialism/neoimperialism. The same imperialist states have been doing it on the sly ever since, with the US as the mafia Don.
No you don't. You don't know that. You assume it.
Lol. Says they're not the average dumb westerner. Thinks Russia is still communist
Coaxed into a snafu again.