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Not to minimize the harms that indigenous Americans have endured, which were obviously horrific & wrong, but all land is stolen.
Who did the Māori steal land from?
I'm talking about modern times. Owned land is stolen land.
I don't know enough about Māori to say much about their land management practices prior to colonization. But I know Māori have nobility so it's entirely possible and perhaps likely that it was stolen from other Māori.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide
So after the British settled, some Māori went to a small island far to the east?
Doesn’t change the fact that they were the first people to arrive in NZ. Which was what I was getting at, but I will concede they did invade someone else’s land too.
..Kiwi birds? 🤷
Who ever was there before them.
No one was there before they arrived there 700 years ago.
Ok. Finding an outlier as an example isn't impressive.
I mean... if the claim is "all", it's not really an outlier. It's refuting the claim. An outlier is statistical; claiming "all" is either true or false. Not really interchangeable, without changing context
But providing the existence of a counter example is the foundational detraction to all-encompassing claims like "all land is stolen", in logic.
No it is not. That is a uninformed relativisation that serves no other purpose than to deflect from the issue.
Yep, it's akin to a "all property is theft" take on things.
I bought my shoes, i didn't steal them. I bought the cheese in my fridge, I didn't steal it Hell, I even bought the fridge.
And, yes, I bought my house and garden. No stealing involved... unfortunately. Because it was fucking expensive, but, alas, I was not allowed to steal it.
Someone may have 'stole' it by staking a claim to it a few hundred or possibly over a thousand years ago, but my hands and conscience are clean (about the land, at least).
No it isn't.
Or are you one of these people who just have to maximise everything like existing is rape and so on, watering it out so much we can forget about the USA (because all labor is slavery and all land is stolen, so why bother with them?)
We are one of many guests on starship earth but we think it's ours alone.
Who did the Aboriginal steal from? Or the Jomon? Or Papuans? There are plenty of cultures that have inhabited land from the first time modern humans occupied said land.
No one still has yet to steal the Sentinelese’s island.