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[–] brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

What do you mean "of course they did"!? How is that not insane? How is that simply acceptable? Deportation is a civil process, there is absolutely no excuse for using armed goons to kidnap people at gunpoint and put them in concentration camps until their civil, non-criminal proceedings can be handled. That is fucking insane.

And YES Obama and biden packed them full. At the end of trump 1 there were 14k people in ice detention; at the end of biden there were 40k. The democrats don't have the aesthetic of cruelty that you seem to object to so much, and I admit that it offends my aesthetic sensibilities as well, but comparing Obama 2, Trump 1, and Biden...apart from the aesthetic they're all the same...actually Biden's a lot worse. Trump 2 is obviously a crazy escalation (which the Democrats enabled by playing ball with this completely insane way of talking about and treating other human beings).

[–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 5 points 16 hours ago
[–] SirHaxalot@nord.pub -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The US has always been rather strict with immigration so of course there has always been arrests of people being there illegally, and subsequently somewhere to detain them. It’s not like ICE is a new agency. Also, I believe a key nuance is that there were also an increase of immigrants following Trumps first term, which probably contributed a lot of the overcrowding result from that.

Could they have done better? Absolutely, but at least they’re not actively trying to make it worse.

[–] brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

ICE was a new agency when obama took over lol. He tripled their budget. They're actively making it worse. Obama deported 3 million people, trump hasn't caught up yet.

And no, you don't have to arrest people in the country illegally. You give them an order to show up to their deportation hearing, and if they don't show up then you arrest them for contempt of court...with like...normal police officers enforcing normal criminal law. But what a shock, people tend to just show up because people will comply voluntarily when the alternative is arrest. That's how it always worked before ICE, and how it continued to work with ICE until Obama expanded them to the whole damn country (rather than the 14 counties they were in when Bush left)