this post was submitted on 19 Feb 2026
300 points (93.1% liked)
Fediverse
40415 readers
633 users here now
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, Mbin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!
Rules
- Posts must be on topic.
- Be respectful of others.
- Cite the sources used for graphs and other statistics.
- Follow the general Lemmy.world rules.
Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
From your other comment next to this one...
Do you not see how you're not being consistent?
I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that. You do not truly know anymore who started, the only thing I personally know is that the same way that a genocide against Palestinians needs to be stopped, so does a call for genocide against Israelis. Of course, due to other countries (including Germany) support of Israel, Palestine needs special protection and the immediate ceasing of all support to Israel.
What you do not see is that we don't truly disagree, I'm just trying to explain one of the multi-faceted thought patterns that go on in some people's brains. Multiple different concepts can co-exist at the same time, and do not necessarily contradict each other, like saying that the genocide in gaza needs to be stopped immediately and the genocide in Gaza and in the Holocaust not being the literal same.
Both-sidesing a genocide. You're a monster
You condemn every group actually fighting to stop it
Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".
We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called "conflict" is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.
Wait... Are you saying that Israelis became the "nomad nation" and moved from country to country just for shits and giggles? That they left Israel because they wanted to, and not because the Persians persecuted them?
Could you elaborate? Does that mean that Israelis shoot rockets at themselves?
Yes, if you read the comment you're replying to...
Thank you for quoting the exact part that I asked you to elaborate on.
Just so I get it right: you're of the belief that the entire "Iran gets equipment from russia, sends it to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi, with the money to up operations and cause chaos, and Hamas/Hezbollah use these resources to strike at random targets in Israel", something that is confirmed by intelligence material from the entirety of NATO, Ukraine, India, Pakistan, Emirates, Saudis, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, and Sudan - ALL of that is fabricated and designed "to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of 'Israel'"?
Are you able to read? I refuted the idea that this is a thousand year conflict by pointing out that it is a colonial occupation (which began in the last 100 years). None of the bullshit you're spewing has anything to do with that.
Ah, OK, so you're just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going "LOL, let's write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later"?
Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I'd understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?
Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it: this "conflict" is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The "Israelis" are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people "Israelis" claim falsely to be the continuation of. The creators and forefathers of the "Israeli" state, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl, were open about the colonial nature of their project.
So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?
Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?
Telling that you can't separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.
It's about colonialism, which is exactly "Israelis" (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.
The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.
Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians "roaming") for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a "settler colony"?
Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who's calling for a genocide. Which are you?
That's not how words work, mate.
"Israel" is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about "Israelis" "roaming" is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.
Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.
So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.
Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.
Imagine trying to argue that Rhodesia still exists and expecting anyone to take you seriously
Are you saying that Aliens stole it and placed Zimbabwe in its place...?
I hope you understand that playing semantic calvinball doesn’t actually convince anyone
I hope you understand that you being completely out of arguments is evident here.
My "argument" is that your obviously just playing semantic games, which you are.
Well, in that case, all I can recommend is re-reading what I wrote, because you either didn't get it, missed it, or misunderstood it.
Uhuh. I read what you said just fine
Well, clearly not, because you're still missing the point. Or not understanding it.
Zimbabwe.
Post-apartheid South Africa.
I'm sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?
Rhodesia changed its government and name.
South Africa changed its government.
No third parties partitioned the lands of either.
Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.
Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.
My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You're the one imagining "third parties".
You do that a lot, don't you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they're true.
I'm imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).
You really are having trouble grasping simple concepts.
Hamas' stated eradication of Israel = genocide.
The removal of Israel's government, reform, security guarantees towards Palestine = not genocide.
I thought this was relatively simple to get.
I don't need to imagine, you called me "a disabled person" as an insult. That's exactly as bad as using the r-slur because it's literally the same thing.
Shut up, lmao. I'm tired of dealing with your colonizer ignorance. Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong and it's clear that your racist condescending European colonial attitude makes it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of "Israel".
40 years ago you would have been crying about how "the Blacks" want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too. Before you cry about how you "didn't say that", that's what's called a "hypothetical". It's meant to demonstrate your gross racism in a way that's easier for you to understand, because the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.
Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.
I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.
Yeah, by ignoring archaeological and historical evidence. Cheers for that. I'll stick to facts, not fundamentalist faith.
"Both peoples have the right to the land their ancestors come from" - such colonialism, much condescension! Wow!
One people living in an area and getting a country: all good.
Another people living in an area and getting a country: COLONIALISM!
Are you hearing yourself?
The two situations are MASSIVELY different.
Whites had no business being in SA in the first place, especially as colonisers.
Whereas Jews/Israelites lived in the Palestine Region for at least 2600 years before Israel and Palestine became a thing.
OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you explain it to me.
Let's even ignore the fact that Hamas keeps flinging dumb rockets at Israel non-stop. Let's even pretend that the recent attack was "an inside job" or something.
How are they going to "restore the lands of Palestine", defined as "everything between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea" without literally making Israel non-existent, thus eradicating it?
lmao, weak deflection. You assumed I was "bad" because of a mental disability as a hypothetical. There's a word for that, it's "ableism", the same as if you had hypothetically asked if I was the r-slur (because it means the same thing as an insult).
I'm not reading all that. Death to "Israel", death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.
I didn't assume anything, hence the question, not a statement. That's how questions work. You imagining it being a statement is yet another example of your approach of just fighting invented arguments.
So, nothing really changed, has it?
Like I said: you're an extremist fundamentalist and a proponent of genocide. I'm glad you finally just flat out admitted it.
At least in this we agree, I guess.
Still an ableist, still a racist, Death to “Israel”, death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.
Ignoring your inability to tell the difference between "death to a political entity" and "death to the entire population", very funny that you think "death to empire" and "death to colonialism" are "genocidal". Oh no, won't someone think of the poor white people colonizing and stealing?