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FOSDEM 2026 - Multi-relay chat messaging & cryptographic identities with Delta Chat and Chatmail relays (fosdem.org)

submitted 4 days ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/privacy@programming.dev

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Also: https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/

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[–] CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It makes sense to want to use Delta Chat because of the UX right now, but I'm just assuming the UX on all of these projects is bad in some way, and I'm assuming there are improvements to be made in other regards as well (Delta Chat is only recently trying to land Perfect Forward Secrecy, for example). I'm more concerned with looking at the future trajectories of these projects, as someone who has had to convert their friend group between solutions multiple times and is sick of projects that don't go anywhere or will get superseded by projects with better designs.

With that in mind, I'm mainly looking at the fundamentals of the implementation and if, given enough community support/money, all the UX issues could be solved eventually. Even projects like Matrix, which sucks for a few big reasons right now, could still be mostly fixed up with enough effort. My suspicion is that "fixing up" Delta Chat would realistically mean that they should move away from emails as part of their stack, unless there is some actual value-add from keeping it.

(For the record my friends and I are using Signal currently. I played around with SimpleX a long time ago but found the UX lacking for normies.)

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 1 points 4 days ago

as someone who has had to convert their friend group between solutions multiple times and is sick of projects that don’t go anywhere or will get superseded by projects with better designs.

We're on the same boad.

Even projects like Matrix, which sucks for a few big reasons right now, could still be mostly fixed up with enough effort.

I've been following Matrix since the Riot.im days. Today, Element X is still incomplete. I'm not sure they can even achieve what they should. XMPP is a bit similar. It has been years, and still the experience is supbar.

My suspicion is that “fixing up” Delta Chat would realistically mean that they should move away from emails as part of their stack, unless there is some actual value-add from keeping it.

They kind of already do. That's what chatmail servers are: https://github.com/chatmail/relay

I am also on Signal with some of my friends, but Signal's lack of communities features ( https://community.signalusers.org/t/communities-with-sub-groups/43783 ) is what is truly lacking compared to Whatsapp.