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Ideally, a full log of joins and leaves wouldn't be bound directly to a chat anyway, right?
Matrix development seems to be getting pulled in a lot of different directions: the membership history seems like it's an IRC-inspired feature, while communities are inspired by Discord and Slack.
idk, I think it's sensible that it's part of room history. also, other platforms do that too.
what is not sensible is that loading them is slow, but I don't experience that even in popular rooms
Rooms with a high volume of messages will appear to load faster than rooms with a high volume of joins and leaves... So maybe that's what you're seeing? 25 messages appearing at once is a whole lot more engaging than 25 hidden join events.
I'm agnostic about whether room joins or leaves should be recorded at all (I've seen discord bots report this at the server level), but the pain point is that the records are joined with the messages... I also thought redactions were weird. Federation probably requires it (maybe federation requires room events to be persisted in the room history too), but having to load extra events to explain deleted messages will probably clog up the pipeline as well.
Don't mind me, I'm just thinking aloud.