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But they claim it's Russia interfering in our elections to deflect from the real problem
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Yeah, Israel's playing on easy mode. Meanwhile Russia's got sanctions, their invasion target has enough of an army to fight back, and they still manage to get candidates elected in the US.
Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they're the same threat.
Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they've commandeered.
Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.
That's like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.
Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.
Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I'd say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.
May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.
Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can't convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.
American workers can't unionize at Starbucks. That's one billionaire. Putin can't have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.
Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.
American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.
Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?
Don't get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.
A few 100 memes on Facebook didn't have any impact on elections. Russia didn't fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior
It is well known that Russian disinformation campaigns go far beyond that. And frankly, you sound an awful lot like a Russian shill. Kinda hope that's the case, cause the only other explanation I can fathom is sheer stupidity.
Do you have a reference for a credible study? Since the youth who watches TikTok isn't that numerous and doesn't vote that much, how could that have such an influence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
Also how could Russia buy propaganda on Facebook without US approval? The US is doing regime changes all over the world. Why should they make such a Rooky mistake and hand over the presidency at home?
The wikipedia article has over 600 hundred references, including a section specifically on the disinformation campaign.
There is more, but I think the 600+ sources in the wikipedia article do a better job than I ever will.
The value of the Russian influence comes from viral stories.
Those 340 million shares are impressive, but that's one exposure while 1000 views for ads cost $10 so Russia gifted $4 million to Trump.
On the other hand, Clinton had $2 billion to spend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation
But which content was shared?
If they exposed 340 million Americans to police violence then that can't have been good for republicans.
To me it looks like an excuse. Clinton was in office. She must have had access to secret information that warned about the risk.
If Clinton knows that there was manipulation and she disbanded the defence and exposed her mails then that looks like a honey pot to me.
I do not understand your point. Russia was intent on sowing discord and chaos, which they did. They spread millions of lies and disinformation, and succeeded in making people distrust the election system. A decade later and you can see the situation we are now in.
And this is just the publicly known stuff.
No reply from the "hurr durr Wikipedia isn't a source" people after 22h
They don't have as much influence as liberals like to believe they do, they just have a political party that is so inept in governing that they have to blame it on someone so they choose Russia. It's the exact same techniques the government used during the 1950s Red scare, they convince the public that Russians are everywhere
So what do you blame the obvious ineptitude of the current administration on???
And tell your boss that your talking points need to be updated cuz they're weak as hell...
The curtain administration is accumulation of liberals selecting what they called a lesser evil for the last 50 years, which was actually incremental fascism.
So, like always, the while of the one side are the fault of the other?
Fuck right off with that stupidity.
Just an FYI, I had this user tagged as "Astro turf concern troll." Looks like this thread is just confirming that.
This person does not have any beliefs of their own.
For sure. I knew better than to bother replying to him; but, I did so anyway. Maybe at least other lemmings will see what happens when this one is fed...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's liberals that never held their own party accountable, as their a party kept shifting further and further to the right, the voter mantra was gotta vote blue, no matter who. You basically told them that they can do anything that they want and you will keep coming back for more. And every small amount of evil that voters found acceptable allowed for a greater amount of evil the next time. So yeah, these wounds are self inflicted.
This country is so politically divided that no amount of Facebook memes is going to change a Democrat voter to a Republican or vice versa. Democrats have a history of propping up pieces of shit as candidates and then are shocked when people don't support their pieces of shit based on them having a shitty history and then blame Russia.
And Republicans have a history of blatant lies; your argument is irrelevant, though.
Fully a third of the country is neither Republican or Democrat. THAT'S what decides elections, not how many are 'red' vs 'blue' (in fact, for many years now, Republicans are the minority, and by your logic would never win anywhere).
Again, your assertion that social media-based disinfo campaigns don't do anything is just not true. Like at all.
A Republican will tell you that they do not like Mexicans. Democrats will say we're going to protect them from deportation and that they are safe, then deport them anyway. A Republican will tell you they do not like the LGBTQ community. Democrats will embrace them while calling themselves an ally, then then make them the punchline whenever they are faced was people they don't agree with.
Lol
A Republican will tell you they're going to lower your taxes, then raise them; that they're going to reduce government size to save you money, but it's actually to make corruption easier and cost you more.
We could go on. We have no heroes in government, but fuck's sake, man, one party are openly fascist.
But whatever. Go play on Truth* Social.
I know liberals prefer their fascism covert. It allows them to go to brunch and not have to think about the crimes being committed in the country against the working class.
Inside the US, there's a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.
I'm not sure about "by far", but it doesn't really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.
And also there's overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)
Israel doesn't support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.
Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.