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AOC ain't winning. It would be nice though.
AOC is literally the only person on that list that even has a shot of winning in the general. Half those people are genocide supporters. If you think AOC has no shot at winning then you haven't been paying attention to the massive left shift happening in this country.
That shift isn't even mainly happening among the loyal Democrat voters either. It's happening among independent and non cult Republican voters.
Woke 2.0 is spreading. The main opposition to leftist momentum in this country is literally the Democratic party. If it runs anyone to the right of AOC it will lose to the couch again.
And has been since 2008. Democrats don't want to win if that means stepping left.
Obama would have moved to the left if he gained seats in the first midterm.
This is pure hopium.
They don't like her. They wouldnt support mamdani.
We need to get rid of the corrupt Dems. AOC is the right choice to help do that.
Didn't stop Mamdani. Wont stop us. Just need to understand youre not running one of their campaigns. We can't use their approaches and shouldn't evaluate ourselves by their metrics.
They didn't support Mamdani, until he won anyway. Then they ALL showed up at his inauguration, and acted like they were behind him all along.
I'm pretty sure the corp Dems still do not support mamdani
And yet they all showed up on HIS Inauguration Day to bask in HIS reflected glow. Politicians are all the same at their core.
Well good thing is we know who the blue maga is.
The bad news is that too many Democratic voters aren't paying enough attention to that part.
So we have to be loud and consistent in educating those around us. Comments online but even more important, inform people in person.
We are up against the Republicans, Israel, and corp Dems. They will do anything they can to stay in power.
But we've beaten them before and we can do it again. But it's going to require a lot of effort and persistence on us who have critical thinking. Point out the blue maga when you see them. And inform people why. Aipac and pac donations is the most obvious one. But if you know of bills they supported you can throw some of those facts out too.
Provide easy concrete examples.
There is a human bias where when examples are simple and easy to recall, we actually give them more weight.
Work with that. Don't bring up complex examples. Reduce them to simple ones if needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
Good advice. I'm trying to think propagandistic with my posts, using tools, techniques, strategies, etc. but in a positive way, to spread truth instead of MAGA lies. We should be hijacking their successful strategies wherever possible, and turning them to offensive use against them.
Generally I don't like manipulating people. But I am knowledgeable about how it's done. And I guess if the opposition is going to do it, we are going to have to use some strategies.
In psychology they are called "persuasive techniques". But I've always considered them manipulative.
I think some knowledge of this might be of aid to you as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaboration_likelihood_model
Most leftist like to think that the left are smart and intelligent but it's not true. A large chunk of liberals/leftist are just as hindered in their critical thinking as rights. (Though there are more on the right to be sure).
So these people are more easily manipulated by surface shallow arguments.
Like Gavin newsome being attractive and getting in laughs at trump.
This is not something that should matter for elections but it does.
Way too many people are won over by this kind of thing but . We can still combat it. We just have to appeal to both types of people.
I'm a sales guy, and I see politics and political campaigns as simple marketing, and MAGA does it extremely well, and Democrats are terrible at it.
It's not really manipulation if you are dishing out the truth to people who have been brainwashed in the worst sorts of ways. I'm more interested in using effective, truthful messaging, and I am concerned with the addictive outrage techniques that the Conservative Propaganda Machine employs to trigger constant surges of dopamine in their victims.
I want to persuade, teach, and wake up dormant Critical Thinking Skills, while MAGA wants manipulate and addict.
Well unfortunately most people are more susceptible to the shallow tactics.
Most people don't actually want to be educated or informed.
The only way to get them to want that is to make it hip or cool to be informed.
I have another persuasion method to mention.
This method can work very well, but it's tricky because it can also create opposition. When people think they are being lectured or some pretentious know- it-all is telling them how stupid they are. People sure don't like feeling stupid. They also don't like being guilt tripped. Let me explain the technique:
Sometimes called the "labeling technique". It's actually not that different from self affirmation techniques. I have a theory it's the same mechanism. But I digress.
This works very well but you will see why it takes a smooth person to pull it off.
Okay here is the scenario.
I come to your house and knock on your door and ask for a donation to a charity.
It's for the local animal shelter.
Now you don't like being pestered for money. And just earlier the store you were at was trying to get you to donate. So you are already like "piss off "
So your first emotion when I knock on the door is: , "I wish these people would fuck off and stop bothering me".
Here is how I would get you to give me money.
First an "in". Do I notice you have a pet. Or some indication you like animals ? A bird house hanging from your porch? A dog trying to get out the front door as you talk to me?
Any indication of animal-love is enough for me to use.
"Aw look at that sweety. What's her name. Such a cutie. My mom has a dog just like her, how old is she? What's her name ?".
Gets them to relax. And people love to talk about themselves. This is how you get people to initially be receptive to the manipulation.
Ask them questions about themselves. That's it. What's the dogs name. How did they get her. Make it all sound natural. Not like you are asking polling questions.
Now for the real manipulation.
This is called labeling technique because you essentially give someone a label or ascribe a trait to them that they want to believe they have. And then you ask them to behave in a way that is consistent with the label. This also plays on cognitive dissonance in humans.
If they don't go along with what you ask, . They are then challenging the label and proving they aren't that (which they don't want).
So I say something like "I can see that she (the dog) really trusts you and I've always believed that animals have that sense. You know, they can tell when someone is a good person. And they are so loyal to good owners. "
Follow up with the labeling.
"I can tell that animals' lives are important to you. You sure have given (dogs name) a great home and I'm sure she appreciates it every day. I'm also here today to help out an animal in need. Even a small donation could help an animal in need. Helping out displaced pets is something dear and near to my heart and I hope it is to yours too. Any help is very much appreciated. Whatever you can spare. No amount too small".
The most important line here is the challenge "Near to my heart and I hope it is yours too".
I'm saying."prove you care about animals".
Bam.
If the person refuses after I just said what a great ally they are to animals in need, then they have to admit to themselves they are a POS. And not an ally. Really bro , you hate dogs ? What kind of person wouldn't help out a dog?
However. If they give me the money they get bonus altruism feel good benefits. They are validated as an ally. A good person in general and a good person who cares about animals.
They are also more likely to donate easier next time if they felt super good about the donation rather than guilt tripped. Guilt tripped will make them avoid answering the door when they see me through the windows.
It's important that they get the big compliment every time they donate. And it should vary and try to ramp up.
It will help condition them to continue donating.
The verbal compliment is important for repeat interactions.
They need to like me because i make them feel good about themselves. My presence makes them feel good because I compliment them on a genuine behavior. (Not shallow flattery) And I show genuine gratitude. Its about making yourself a bringer of validation.
They will be more receptive to other requests once you establish this relationship.
The labeling technique is often used in group and cults as well to keep members in line.
It can be modified to work in almost any social interactions, including online but it's better with articulated verbal communication. So videos are stronger. Images with text can also work.
It's also still possible to use it in raw text. Just a bit more challenging.
Now in cult settings in can work like this :
"You won't go to heaven with the rest of us Christians if you don't donate to my mega church. Because a real Christian would always donate all their earnings. Says so in the Bible. Are you actually a real Christian or just faking it. ? Give me all your money. "
I'm being pendantic here but you get what I'm saying.
This technique is incredibly effective if used properly and can be used to essentially groom someone.
I mean. It is very much a technique used in grooming. One of the pillar techniques I would say. Next to the "no one else will love you except me".
Forgot to mention. The traits of the label.
"Animal ally" won't work on someone who genuinely doesn't like animals and doesn't care if you know.
Generally "social desirability" traits work well. Like being charitable. Helping others out. Being unbiased. Being fair. Being honest. Being informed/knowledgeable (though this last one is tricky).
But some people value different things more and some less.
Someone who doesn't value "intelligence" isn't going to respond well to you basically saying "smart people would do this ".
Someone who genuinely doesn't care about charity (has strong bootstrap beliefs) won't respond well to the charitable -label.
So you may need to adjust your strategy on an individual basis.
And as always, make the arguments as individualized as possible. (Such as my example about bringing the person's dog into the conversation).
The art of ~~manipulation~~ persuasion actually takes some practice and social skills with reading people. Being articulate is also a necessity.
If only this happened...
What are the chances of the right having a scism and spoiling their own ballot (split MAGA and GOP)? If that were to look likely that would be the best time to have an independent progressive run. Would spoil the dems ballot too, but so long as we are stuck in the cycle of "I dont care who wins, so long as they lose" system, I dont see any way to break out of the two-party gridlock.
Running mate for someone who can. But I don't think that person is on that list. Someone else suggested Kelly or Pritzker as middle of the road people with wider appeal who might be able to pull it off. I think it's too early to pick a candidate.