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Obviously nobody was making regulation Coca-Cola, but the dividing line is getting a lot less clear already. Why is a distillate of some cursed local herb fine, but fresh-squeezed cochineal dye not?
I actually have emusifiers in my kitchen, and I didn't have to buy them anywhere weird. At this moment I have no idea if it's more or less involved to make them than celery salt, which you mention, and which itself has to be industrial-era.
You probably can find a candy that would meet this bar, but at some point it's less of a category and more of a meaningless list of a few very specific foods that are major diet constituents for very few people.
I should say that the inconsistent, mishmash category of UPFs that exists does show evidence of being harmful, and there is a lot of work trying to pin down which part, exactly. And which has given confusing results to date; I think this is the last thing I read on it before it was paywalled.
Just stopping to point out that's not food, you aren't supposed to swallow it. It's about equally as close to candy as to a teething ring.
That question is called moving the goal posts. We were talking about soda, not something else.
That you bought an ingredient produced via industrial processes doesn't negate that the ingredient was made with industrial processes. It's not really a "traditional home cooked meal" if you're still using something that requires extensive machinery or chemical processes to create - even if you didn't create them in your kitchen.
Your argument on using the additives in your kitchen as a point that it's not ultra processed anymore is equivalent to me buying chemistry supply and making some paracetamol and saying it's not a pharmaceutical drug but more akin to a herbal remedy because I made it myself.
And yet it's sold in the candy section and has calories via sugar. Weird that this is the one you were able to easily identify as ultra processed.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's conchineal in some sodas to make them red. It was honestly just the first food dye I thought of.
The issue with a soda is the ingredients, right? Otherwise it's just mixing.
A coffee maker or airfryer is extensive machinery. And even cooking something over a primitive campfire would be a chemical process, so neither of these are really an obvious, airtight definition.
If you require a machine to be used to make ultraprocessed food to be extensive, than that's called a No True Scotsman fallacy, or just circular reasoning.
Exactly. Where the process happens shouldn't matter. I'm not making this conundrum up, right? Food researchers are struggling with it too.
You're quoting "traditional homemade" a lot, so I'll point out that the traditional part is itself relative. Unless it's mammoth over a campfire it's not going to go back forever. What is normal cooking like mama used to do, and what is scary frankenfood bioscience is perception.