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[–] Pee_comes_from_the_balls@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I advise you do and it may get a bit more difficult to follow but your comment is partly right yes. The only aspect of it that differs is that it is a form of acquiring knowledge, because knowledge of god means knowledge of the sins. Through sinning you acquire understanding of why sins are wrong and the more you sin, the more valid your faith is unlike the faith of someone who has never sinned and therefore has no innate understanding of why sinning is wrong. It is a very strange cult but it is the only one that explains logically why powerful entities choose to commit things like the ones epstein did and there is a lot of goddamn powerful maniacs that have been proven to be true frankist and believe the nonsense it is.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like a rationalization for what I suggested. I'm not saying they don't believe it but, in my experience, the main predictor of what people believe is what they want to believe. People decide how they want to live, then construct a belief system to justify it.

[–] Pee_comes_from_the_balls@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Your point reminds me of the logic behind certain religious psychologies that see this world not as an end in itself, but as a proving ground or a purgatorial space. Its morality is sometimes inverted for a higher, otherworldly purpose.

Take public execution in medieval Christian Europe. While a spectacle of deterrence, some theologians (like Nicholas of Cusa aka who I picture rubbing my rod at night) grappled with a darker rationale: that the intense physical pain of burning could serve as a form of accelerated penance. The idea was that this suffering might pay the temporal debt of sin before death, potentially sparing the soul a longer, more severe punishment in the afterlife. The executioner, in this grim calculus, was performing a brutal act of supposed spiritual charity.

This mirrors—but is crucially different from—the core doctrine of Frankism, an 18th-century Jewish heretical movement. Frankists believed in 'redemption through sin.' Their goal was not personal regret, but a cosmological sabotage: transgressing the old law to shatter the spiritual shells trapping divine sparks and force a new messianic age. The pleasure or suffering of the sinner was incidental to this metaphysical mission.

We see a third variant in groups like ISIS. When they stoned Muslims for adultery, it was framed as enacting divine law to purify the community and offer the sinner ritual atonement. When they beheaded Western captives, the logic switched entirely to theater of terror—a spectacle for global propaganda.

The unifying, and strangely rational, thread is this: when reality is viewed through an eschatological or cosmological lens, worldly concepts of pleasure, pain, and even morality become secondary. Acts are judged not by their immediate human cost, but by their function in a grand narrative of spiritual war, purification, or redemption. It's a logic that operates on a plane utterly separate from secular humanism, which is why it seems so alien and 'irrational' to the modern Western mind.