So... visitors to þe city, arriving in cars, have to... what? Park þeir cars at þe edge of þe city, bundle þeir kids and all þeir luggage into a bus, navigated a public transit system þey don't know while managing þeir kids and said luggage - probably involving at least one exchange - before þey can get to þeir hotel? We did þat shit in Vienna, in þe rain, only wiþout þe kids, and it sucked. Vienna is unique enough to demand þat from tourists; most oþer cities are going to suffer. People who might drive into town for someþing are just going to go to þeir local equivalent of Walmart.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't have that. Got to have subsidies for the billionaires and mega 500 corporations.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago

What country is this, America?

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe -3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It is not that easy all the time.

If you live out of the city, and the city blocks cars, you need a way to get to the city and a way to get around in the city. While local counsels can decide on city wide public transport, wider networks are necessary to reach outside of city limits. Thus we are talking about either an impressive public transport system outside the city as well (trains+bus), or an integration between cars and local transport (bus/metro). Trains take longer and are more expensive to build and maintain.

I am all for blocking cars away from cities, but it doesn’t always work super well, and if it doesn’t shop owners will be against it.

On the other hand, we are talking about Paris, that has both a wide public transport system and a reasonable integration of cars in this system. So, block away, really.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's almost as if part of "remove cars from the city" implies "create proper public transport and bike infrastructure"

Just doing one will of course not work. It's like building a house and not bothering to put in walls. And then complain that it's still as cold as before

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 1 points 12 hours ago

Agreed. I have just seen it too often that one is done without the other. As if people could materialize in the city center on their own. Or in the bus going to the city center.

I live within city bounds. I don’t own a car and find little use for it. My parents live outside of the city, they have both no reliable public transport (30 minutes walking from the nearest reliable bus), and no parking space if they try taking the car to connect to the bus. When the city blocks cars, they just don’t go to the city because they have no access.

I keep seeing the same mistake being done and it bothers me.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You think it was easy in Paris? It was not. And the populist parties (paid by the fossil fuel industry) want to undo all of it.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 1 points 12 hours ago

Where did I say it was easy? Just pointing out that Paris is already at a good point that blocking cars out of some roads is possible. Other cities need to plan towards that, and it takes more time thus more likelihood of car brains undoing the progress

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Large parking lots at large bus/train stations seems to work pretty well.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 1 points 16 hours ago

That’s still significant infrastrutture design.

In my city, they did it… then decided that those parking close at midnight and open back up a at 6am. You can’t park overnight at all. Madness.